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Post by darktemplar on Jan 31, 2021 23:57:29 GMT
Kia ora Hive! I've just had some succes with this list below. Still think it could use some tweaking. The 2nd exocrine uses reserves so less need for the 5++. Mainly thinking the Walkrant and Patriarch could be dropped for more zoeys and a Magos/primus. As it is currently, I give up a lot of points to assassinate and abhor, although if I loose all characters then I have already lost the game. I like the staying power of the tyrant and the patriarchs combat ability as I don't have counter charge outside solo broodlord. What do you think I could change? ++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Tyranids) [89 PL, 10CP, 1,649pts] +++ Configuration +Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points) Detachment Command CostHive Fleet: Kronos + Stratagems +Bounty of the Hive Fleet [-1CP]: 1 Extra Bio-artefact Progeny of the Hive [-1CP]+ HQ +Broodlord [7 PL, 125pts]: Power: Smite, Power: Symbiostorm, Resonance Barb, Warlord Hive Tyrant [9 PL, 180pts]: Heavy Venom Cannon, Monstrous Rending Claws, Power: Catalyst, Power: Onslaught, The Miasma Cannon, Toxin Sacs Neurothrope [5 PL, 95pts]: Power: Psychic Scream + Troops +Ripper Swarms [2 PL, 36pts]. 3x Ripper Swarm: 3x Claws and Teeth Ripper Swarms [2 PL, 36pts]. 3x Ripper Swarm: 3x Claws and Teeth Termagants [3 PL, 50pts]. 10x Termagant (Fleshborer): 10x Fleshborer Termagants [3 PL, 50pts]. 10x Termagant (Fleshborer): 10x Fleshborer Termagants [3 PL, 50pts]. 10x Termagant (Fleshborer): 10x Fleshborer + Elites +Hive Guard [12 PL, 270pts]. 6x Hive Guard (Impaler): 6x Impaler Cannon Lictor [2 PL, 37pts]Zoanthropes [14 PL, 200pts]: Power: The Horror . 4x Zoanthrope: 4x Claws and Teeth + Heavy Support +Exocrine [9 PL, 170pts]Exocrine [9 PL, 170pts]. Adaptive Physiology: Dermic Symbiosis Tyrannofex [9 PL, 180pts]: Acid Spray, Adrenal Glands . Adaptive Physiology: Dermic Symbiosis ++ Patrol Detachment -2CP (Tyranids - Genestealer Cults) [19 PL, -2CP, 351pts] +++ Configuration +Cult Creed: The Bladed Cog Detachment Command Cost [-2CP]+ HQ +Patriarch [7 PL, 135pts]: Power: Mass Hypnosis, Power: Undying Vigour + Troops +Acolyte Hybrids [12 PL, 216pts]: Cult Icon . 18x Acolyte Hybrid (Hand Flamer): 18x Blasting Charges, 18x Cultist Knife, 18x Hand Flamer, 18x Rending Claw . Acolyte Leader: Autopistol, Cultist Knife ++ Total: [108 PL, 8CP, 2,000pts] ++Created with BattleScribe |
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Post by kinginyellow on Feb 1, 2021 0:16:53 GMT
so the hive tyrant has toxic sacs but not adrenal sacs, and while the toxic sacs are nice, failing a charge could be critical and so i would suggest swapping them.
also, the broodlord, i assume, will be pushing much further forward and not stay near the exocrines as he is a strong counter charger, wouldn't it be better if he had the psychic scream and the Neurothrope had psysic storm as the neurothrope is quite happy being much further back due to he just needs to get into smite range to be able to perform his main function. also, when the broodlord dies as it charged something and then died as the response. you only lose scream, which is sad but not as crippling as losing storm?
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Post by No One on Feb 1, 2021 1:30:16 GMT
so the hive tyrant has adrenal sacs but not adrenal sacs Shrodinger's adrenal hey  I think just drop the walkrant entirely: HVC are eh and you don't really have the mobility for melee. If you want more counter-charge, take another broodlord. The acos are also odd: I don't think hand flamers at 3 pts are worth taking acos *purely* for them. And without saws/offensive buffs, their melee prowess is merely OK. I'd say take some saws in there, give patty crouchling and grab might (taking magus instead is also an option). You'll also want another disposable unit for your last scramble: you'll probably be able to do mid with the gaunts, but sramblers isn't a secondary you want to bank on a 'probably'. |
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Post by kinginyellow on Feb 1, 2021 2:46:16 GMT
so the hive tyrant has adrenal sacs but not adrenal sacs Shrodinger's adrenal hey I think just drop the walkrant entirely: HVC are eh and you don't really have the mobility for melee. If you want more counter-charge, take another broodlord. The acos are also odd: I don't think hand flamers at 3 pts are worth taking acos *purely* for them. And without saws/offensive buffs, their melee prowess is merely OK. I'd say take some saws in there, give patty crouchling and grab might (taking magus instead is also an option). You'll also want another disposable unit for your last scramble: you'll probably be able to do mid with the gaunts, but sramblers isn't a secondary you want to bank on a 'probably'. lol, i meant toxic sacs but not adrenal but didn't reread before posting. lol good catch (will edit). and yea i think dropping a ripper and replacing them with another lictor makes sense (he needs to find 1 point tho). |
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Post by darktemplar on Feb 1, 2021 6:50:09 GMT
Thanks for the replies.
Toxin sacs are more important than adrenal in my book. Against high toughness models the extra dmg is gold. The tyrant is a road block and counter assault unit. The Cannon was awesome in my last game, being able to d3 auto hit and wound ok 2s in combat is pretty nasty against characters.. I'm not completely sold on it either, I originally had it as a flyrant but then realized I'm using it defensively so wings don't really matter. I could drop a hiveguard and swap patriarch for magus to upgrade tyrant to swarmy which would give better combat and some funky move twice for my gun beasts.
The broodlord hangs around mid field (i don't have much forward pressure) and I was trying it out with resonance barb as it gets 2 casts with it instead of one. I usually have it on my Neurothrope like you said but I wanted to play the thrope forward to buff zoeys.
The list has loads of high ap and dmg shots but had no horde clear, thats what flamers are for. Even without the saws they can do some damage against t3 and t4, 1cp for extra hits on 5+ vs imperium. They also only need 2cp to deepstrike in 3" rather than 4cp investment for the saws to guarantee charge.
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Post by darktemplar on Feb 1, 2021 6:51:09 GMT
From your suggestions I made ++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Tyranids) [86 PL, 10CP, 1,569pts] +++ Configuration +Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points) Detachment Command CostHive Fleet: Kronos + Stratagems +Bounty of the Hive Fleet [-1CP]: 1 Extra Bio-artefact Progeny of the Hive [-1CP]+ HQ +Broodlord [7 PL, 125pts]: Power: Smite, Power: Symbiostorm, Resonance Barb, Warlord Neurothrope [5 PL, 95pts]: Power: Psychic Scream + Troops +Ripper Swarms [2 PL, 36pts]. 3x Ripper Swarm: 3x Claws and Teeth Ripper Swarms [2 PL, 36pts]. 3x Ripper Swarm: 3x Claws and Teeth Termagants [3 PL, 50pts]. 10x Termagant (Fleshborer): 10x Fleshborer Termagants [3 PL, 50pts]. 10x Termagant (Fleshborer): 10x Fleshborer Termagants [3 PL, 50pts]. 10x Termagant (Fleshborer): 10x Fleshborer Termagants [3 PL, 50pts]. 10x Termagant (Fleshborer): 10x Fleshborer Termagants [3 PL, 50pts]. 10x Termagant (Fleshborer): 10x Fleshborer + Elites +Hive Guard [12 PL, 270pts]. 6x Hive Guard (Impaler): 6x Impaler Cannon Lictor [2 PL, 37pts]Zoanthropes [14 PL, 200pts]: Power: The Horror . 4x Zoanthrope: 4x Claws and Teeth + Heavy Support +Exocrine [9 PL, 170pts]Exocrine [9 PL, 170pts]. Adaptive Physiology: Dermic Symbiosis Tyrannofex [9 PL, 180pts]: Acid Spray, Adrenal Glands . Adaptive Physiology: Dermic Symbiosis ++ Patrol Detachment -2CP (Tyranids - Genestealer Cults) [20 PL, -3CP, 430pts] +++ Configuration +Cult Creed: The Bladed Cog Detachment Command Cost [-2CP]+ Stratagems +Grandsire's Gifts [-1CP]: 1 Extra Sacred Relic + HQ +Patriarch [8 PL, 150pts]: Familiar, Power: Mass Hypnosis, Power: Might From Beyond, Power: Undying Vigour, The Crouchling + Troops +Acolyte Hybrids [12 PL, 280pts]: Cult Icon . 14x Acolyte Hybrid (Hand Flamer): 14x Blasting Charges, 14x Cultist Knife, 14x Hand Flamer, 14x Rending Claw . Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Hand Flamer, Heavy Rock Saw . Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Hand Flamer, Heavy Rock Saw . Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Hand Flamer, Heavy Rock Saw . Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Hand Flamer, Heavy Rock Saw . Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Hand Flamer, Heavy Rock Saw . Acolyte Leader: Cultist Knife, Hand Flamer ++ Total: [106 PL, 7CP, 1,999pts] ++Created with BattleScribe |
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Post by No One on Feb 1, 2021 7:47:57 GMT
being able to d3 auto hit and wound ok 2s in combat is pretty nasty against characters Miasma is blast... I dunno: if you just need horde clear, devilgants at 7 pts are quite solid and don't need you to invest into a GSC det to access. |
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Post by darktemplar on Feb 3, 2021 23:48:41 GMT
Thanks No one. I missed that! Forgot I had to check the big rule book for some weapons stats :/ that makes the tyrant even worse. With blast in mind, do you recommend 5 man units of hiveguard?
The acolytes are easier to get into range than the Termagants, have melee potential and I think for 4pts difference, the extra 2 attacks, ap, Armour save, and more reliable damage with flamers puts them above devilgants. Maybe there is a way to make them work if i drop the tyrant. Not sure on the magus or patriarch, I can drop 3 acolytes to interchange them. Next ill try something like this:
++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Tyranids) [94 PL, 10CP, 1,689pts] ++
+ Configuration +
Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)
Detachment Command Cost
Hive Fleet: Kronos
+ Stratagems +
Bounty of the Hive Fleet [-1CP]: 1 Extra Bio-artefact
Progeny of the Hive [-1CP]
+ HQ +
Broodlord [7 PL, 125pts]: Power: Psychic Scream, Power: Smite, Warlord
Neurothrope [5 PL, 95pts]: Power: Symbiostorm, Resonance Barb
The Swarmlord [14 PL, 270pts]
+ Troops +
Ripper Swarms [2 PL, 36pts]
. 3x Ripper Swarm: 3x Claws and Teeth
Ripper Swarms [2 PL, 36pts]
. 3x Ripper Swarm: 3x Claws and Teeth
Termagants [3 PL, 50pts]
. 10x Termagant (Fleshborer): 10x Fleshborer
Termagants [3 PL, 50pts]
. 10x Termagant (Fleshborer): 10x Fleshborer
Termagants [3 PL, 50pts]
. 10x Termagant (Fleshborer): 10x Fleshborer
+ Elites +
Hive Guard [12 PL, 225pts]
. 5x Hive Guard (Impaler): 5x Impaler Cannon
Lictor [2 PL, 37pts]
Zoanthropes [14 PL, 200pts]: Power: The Horror
. 4x Zoanthrope: 4x Claws and Teeth
+ Heavy Support +
Exocrine [9 PL, 170pts]
Exocrine [9 PL, 170pts]
. Adaptive Physiology: Dermic Symbiosis
Tyrannofex [9 PL, 175pts]: Acid Spray
. Adaptive Physiology: Dermic Symbiosis
++ Patrol Detachment -2CP (Tyranids - Genestealer Cults) [18 PL, -3CP, 310pts] ++
+ Configuration +
Cult Creed: The Bladed Cog
Detachment Command Cost [-2CP]
+ Stratagems +
Grandsire's Gifts [-1CP]: 1 Extra Sacred Relic
+ HQ +
Magus [6 PL, 100pts]: Familiar, Power: Mass Hypnosis, Power: Might From Beyond, Power: Undying Vigour, The Crouchling
+ Troops +
Acolyte Hybrids [12 PL, 210pts]: Cult Icon
. 3x Acolyte Hybrid: 3x Autopistol, 3x Blasting Charges, 3x Cultist Knife, 3x Rending Claw
. 15x Acolyte Hybrid (Hand Flamer): 15x Blasting Charges, 15x Cultist Knife, 15x Hand Flamer, 15x Rending Claw
. Acolyte Leader: Cultist Knife, Hand Flamer
++ Total: [112 PL, 7CP, 1,999pts] ++
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