500pt nid Vs marine help

[krule]

Just started collecting 40k recently along with my friend who got into marines, he'll be playing with intercessors, assault intercessors and a bike chaplain.

I'm not sure what hive fleet to run this under or if this is even a good list so feedback pls and recommendations plsss


Tyranid Prime (adrenal glands, Deathspitter, Lash Whip and Bonesword, Warlord)

2 X 10 termagants (fleshborer)

5 X Tyranid Warriors (adrenal glands, enhanced resistance, boneswords, deathspitters, 1 venom cannon)

3 X Hive guard (impaler)

My other option was to take a hive tyrant with MRC, Devourers, resonance barb and Dermic Symbiosis instead of the hive guard.

[wound]

I wound go for jorm or leviathan, chances are you will be hard pressed to move if you use kronos.im not sure about the prime either i dont think you have high enough mass of warriors to justify one. Also Remember that adaptations are your friends not warlord traits.

[gazrax]

I think the Hive Tyrant might be better at 500 points than the Hive Guard. 3 Don't put out a lot of shots and the starting CP for Combat Patrols is low that consistently getting off Single-Minded Annihilation is pretty taxing.

I wouldn't waste Dermic Symbiosis on them tho - you already have a 4++. I've had success with Voracious Ammunition on Carnifexes at this points level. For all the volume 4x Devourers put out, the lack of AP means that units with good saves are going to shrug off most mounds so this is a good way to get a little more out of it.

Alternatively, you could take the HT, drop the Warriors down to 3, cut and the prime, AND still take the Hive Guard. That would give a decent mix of bodies, synapse, shooting, and psychic.

[krule]

Nov 27, 2020 14:51:43 GMT wound said:

I wound go for jorm or leviathan

Noted, thank!

Nov 27, 2020 14:51:43 GMT wound said:

i dont think you have high enough mass of warriors to justify one

how much a mass of warriors actually warrants one?

Nov 27, 2020 14:51:43 GMT wound said:

Also Remember that adaptations are your friends not warlord traits.

Progeny of the Hive 4 lyfe

Nov 27, 2020 17:07:28 GMT gazrax said:

I've had success with Voracious Ammunition on Carnifexes at this points level. For all the volume 4x Devourers put out, the lack of AP means that units with good saves are going to shrug off most mounds so this is a good way to get a little more out of it.

Does single-minded annihilation proc voracious ammunition again?

Nov 27, 2020 17:07:28 GMT gazrax said:

Alternatively, you could take the HT, drop the Warriors down to 3, cut and the prime, AND still take the Hive Guard. That would give a decent mix of bodies, synapse, shooting, and psychic.

In this situation would the warriors even be worth it? Is 20 gants a better tarpit than 3 x warriors with enhanced resistance?

[gazrax]

Nov 28, 2020 14:23:06 GMT krule said:

Nov 27, 2020 14:51:43 GMT wound said:

I wound go for jorm or leviathan

Noted, thank!

Nov 27, 2020 14:51:43 GMT wound said:

i dont think you have high enough mass of warriors to justify one

how much a mass of warriors actually warrants one?

Nov 27, 2020 14:51:43 GMT wound said:

Also Remember that adaptations are your friends not warlord traits.

Progeny of the Hive 4 lyfe

Nov 27, 2020 17:07:28 GMT gazrax said:

I've had success with Voracious Ammunition on Carnifexes at this points level. For all the volume 4x Devourers put out, the lack of AP means that units with good saves are going to shrug off most mounds so this is a good way to get a little more out of it.

Does single-minded annihilation proc voracious ammunition again?

Nov 27, 2020 17:07:28 GMT gazrax said:

Alternatively, you could take the HT, drop the Warriors down to 3, cut and the prime, AND still take the Hive Guard. That would give a decent mix of bodies, synapse, shooting, and psychic.

In this situation would the warriors even be worth it? Is 20 gants a better tarpit than 3 x warriors with enhanced resistance?

SMA only works on infantry so wouldn't work with the Tyrant or anything that is eligible for Voracious Ammo.

To your second question, you would still be taking the gants so you wouldn't need to trade. The reason to bring Warriors there is to have more synapse on the board. Running 2x units of 10 vs. 1 larger unit is something to experiment with. The smaller units allow you to hold more objectives/forces your opponent to split fire whereas the larger unit is going to take more dedicated resources to remove.

[krule]

Nov 28, 2020 19:29:26 GMT gazrax said:

SMA only works on infantry so wouldn't work with the Tyrant or anything that is eligible for Voracious Ammo.

To your second question, you would still be taking the gants so you wouldn't need to trade. The reason to bring Warriors there is to have more synapse on the board. Running 2x units of 10 vs. 1 larger unit is something to experiment with. The smaller units allow you to hold more objectives/forces your opponent to split fire whereas the larger unit is going to take more dedicated resources to remove.

I missed the infantry keyword lol
Ah yeah you're right I realise the need for more synapse in the list otherwise I would be relying entirely on the tyrant to keep things together. Thanks for your help!

[gazrax]

Of course - last thought is to maybe skip a 2nd adaptation. Combat Patrol games give you so little CP that having the extra to spend in game might be more valuable.

If you are going to give it to something, I would say Hive Guard are better than the Warriors for Enhanced Resistance. It's not worth it on the gants since their saves are bad anyway - for those Catalyst is going to be more effective.