Jormungandr Experiment 2000

[lector27]

This is a hypothetical list - I have some but not all of the models, so any suggestions for substitutions are more than welcome. I’m trying to take advantage of the defensive buffs available to Jormungandr and saturate them thoroughly enough that my opponent will be suffering penalties however they choose to prioritize their targets, while having enough flexibility to shift my defenses as well. My aim is to use this to also make the glass cannons of genestealers more viable in 9th, while also taking advantage of the delivery systems that Jormungandr also provides (plus I really like the new Jormungandr psychic start for Genestealers who may be further away from a Broodlord.) So the list is as follows! Don’t have the BattleScribe file readily available but I’ve scrawled it out for the moment - may post it proper later.

Battalion
Jormungandr

Broodlord - Catalyst, Resonance Barb
Neurothrope - The Horror
Malanthrope

Genestealers x18 - Extended Carapace, Adaptive Physiology - Enhanced Resistance
Genestealers x18 - Extended Carapace, Adaptive Physiology - Enhanced Resistance
Warriors x5 - 4 w Deathspitters, 1 w Venom Cannon, all w Lash Whip & Bonesword, Adrenal Glands
Warriors x5 - 4 w Deathspitters, 1 w Venom Cannon, all w Lash Whip & Bonesword, Adrenal Glands
Rippers x3
Rippers x3

Maleceptor - Lurking Maws
Hive Guard - x5

Trygon Prime - Arachnacyte Gland

Game plan is to deep strike one unit of the Genestealers with the Trygon Prime, and start the other on the board. I know extended carapace is a v controversial choice, but I think it combos quite nicely with Jormungandr, because then you don’t really want to be advancing them anyways, and with the physiology they have a 3+ against ap 0, -1 and -2, and then the 5++ against anything else - combined with the Maleceptors strat while they’re nearby and small arms fire will severely struggle. The two waves will also make Catalyst more effective, as only being able to protect one at a time should make things easier. As far as making charges goes, this is where the Trygon Prime and Warriors fill their role, with their Synapse being handy for the 2 new stratagems that allow you to roll extra dice and discard the lowest from BoB.

I’ve also always had a soft spot for Warriors, and I feel Jormungandr is the one hive fleet that really helps them out - especially with Unyielding Chitin, I think 2 units of 5 can have a place, but I’m not entirely sold .... (they’re 164 points apiece). I perhaps don’t have enough substantial shooting, and should consider swapping them for Exocrines and find something else to do away with, but it’s a tricky one.

Anyways, let me know what y’all think, would love any and all feedback, thanks! 🙏

[kazetanade]

Venom + Malanthrope, on a full squad of ER/DC Warriors x2. They must engage you in combat to remove you off your side objectives, and even then its not an easy feat since THs were nerfed.

2x9 will secure your side of midfield for 4 turns.

Fill the rest with T8 creatures to take advantage of Maleceptor, so Barbed (for super tanky monster) or Exocrenes.

GS are a terribad idea with warriors because they fight for same slot and adaptation, while GS lose their main advantage as a unit.


Its also 15pts paid per wound, which makes them squishier Space Marines Tacticals from 8th Ed (which were universally considered bad before and after codex 2.0) that can't really project any force. However, because you're stacking so many buffs, there's a chance that this approach can work and is worth a try for a measure of board control, but not alongside warriors. You use one or three other.

[lector27]

Nov 23, 2020 8:02:17 GMT kazetanade said:

Venom + Malanthrope, on a full squad of ER/DC Warriors x2. They must engage you in combat to remove you off your side objectives, and even then its not an easy feat since THs were nerfed.

2x9 will secure your side of midfield for 4 turns.

Fill the rest with T8 creatures to take advantage of Maleceptor, so Barbed (for super tanky monster) or Exocrenes.

GS are a terribad idea with warriors because they fight for same slot and adaptation, while GS lose their main advantage as a unit.


Its also 15pts paid per wound, which makes them squishier Space Marines Tacticals from 8th Ed (which were universally considered bad before and after codex 2.0) that can't really project any force. However, because you're stacking so many buffs, there's a chance that this approach can work and is worth a try for a measure of board control, but not alongside warriors. You use one or three other.

Thanks for the feedback! I did wind up adjusting the list accordingly - I swapped out the Warriors and the Neurothrope for a Walkrant with HVC and Devs and 20 devilgants to bomb in with the Trygon Prime, and with the leftover points I upped the genestealer units to 19 and 20. I have actually done the fully stacked Warrior list pretty similar to how u described (though I don’t have a Barbed Heirodule yet..) but that was back in 8th. There’s certainly a case for that list, but the Genestealers are sort of the main point of what I’m building around here, just to see if they can be made viable. I would however dispute that it’s T8 models which benefit most from the Maleceptor - with T8 it’s an effective -1 to wound against strength 5, 8, and 9 firepower, whereas on a T4 model, you get that bonus against strength 3, 4, 5 and 8 firepower, which to me seems like an objectively better spread with how rarely strength 9 comes up and how pervasive strength 4 is. Plus I think in 9th it’s your objective holding units that you want to stack the defensive buffs on rather than the big killy units.

As far as the game plan goes, I figure start all the Genestealers on the board, and let the Termagants be my deepstrike obsec. I think ur right on not mixing Warriors and Genestealers, you probably need to be able to commit more to the warriors to make them solid enough - cheers, and thanks for the advice!