New weapon profiles = New combos?

[xetemara]

New weapon profiles updated here at the end of the document:

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Do you see that these might bring hope to our struggle against the oppressor?

[wormlord666]

The acolyte handflamerbomb just got 2cp cheaper since you don’t need to use lying in wait. 20 flamers, re-roll wounds from bladed cog trait, 5+++ from spell. This old news but sligtly better mayby. 20 guys with 5+, 6++, 5+++ is not that easy to get rid of and if they take something out on the way in, and come with some friends long it might be worth looking in to. Beeing able to flame and charge from deep strike is a huge improvement.

[No One]

Yeah, hand flamers seem good. I don't know how much it changes, just because lying in wait gives you other options as well regarding objectives (and often targets), but doubling in range is strong. I don't think 12" is quite enough to do reliable flame+charge stuff, just because of killing yourself out of charge, but the option's there if a good situation arises or you highroll the charge.

Might be worth to have a flamer in every squad, just for a bit of extra damage on a DS charge, then a flamer bomb. For me, means I don't have to lying in wait the flamers for use and can use a different squad to action+lying in wait, or still use them with lying in wait for a bit of target flexibility if I've got scramblers sorted. Seems good.

Other stuff? Meh: worse guard is worse guard. Might change things up a bit if you want to bring a BB det, but I don't think it matters hugely.

[niiai]

To be honest not that much changed.

Hand flamers range 12". Means less CP usage to remove screens. Might be worth it in 9th edition. 50 point gets you 5d6 S3. For 200 points you get 20d6 S3, if you can fit all in range. (Big if.) Can be combined with perfect ambush for double shoting.

Same goes for regular neophyte flamer. For 70 point you to can get 2d6 S4 shots. Toss in 20 points more and you can habe Sesmic cannon as well. It does have a bit more punch.

Flamer sentinels got a better threat range.

Flamer chimera is 90 points. Flaming Brood Brother squad is 60. So 150 point you can try to remove some bad guys.

Heavy boltet weapon teams good better. An option vs the other weapons.

Leman russ got better flamers (can take 3) bolters and multi melta. But at BS 4 it is not that amazing or durable for its prise. Having one T8 means the ladcannonshots goes there.

Unless you bring a lot of brood brother stuff I think the hand flamer is where it is at.

[purestrain]

Clamvus warlord with alien majesty.

15" deepstrike denial, no more flamers.

[beetlejuice]

Oct 6, 2020 12:04:36 GMT purestrain said:

Clamvus warlord with alien majesty.

15" deepstrike denial, no more flamers.

you actually don’t need alien majesty since they already have to deploy 12.001” away and thus out of range

[aekiel]

I've been looking at a 10 man unit of Acolytes in a Goliath Truck to clear objectives. Stick them in there with hand flamers then drop them out either next turn or with the generic stratagem (DBS being banned from matched play is a huge problem for Acolytes) to charge what's left. If you give them rock saws they can do a fair bit of damage too.

[niiai]

What is DBS?

That plan depens on how saturated you are on high thougnes? Othervice they just shootvthe truck. 120 points for 10 1W T3 5+ is very exspensive if they get shot before they do something?

[No One]

Deliverance Broodsurge.

[kazetanade]

I've run 8 RRs with truck before. They just shoot the truck first. The contents die shortly after.

[timcz]

I’ve not seen any evidence at all around this, but there’s talk on the FB group saying that the community mentioned points for identical weapons being the same across all factions (again, haven’t seen or heard this myself).

Suggestion was that marine hand flamer is 5 points, and therefore gsc will be the same come CA.

Hopefully not the case but guess we’ll wait and see.

[No One]

I mean, there's not even identical points for weapons in the same faction: I am sceptical.

[timcz]

Oct 8, 2020 0:26:44 GMT No One said:

I mean, there's not even identical points for weapons in the same faction: I am sceptical.

Likewise.

[Hive Bahamut]

I think this is the wrong direction and GSC is a good example. They don't have melta or plasma because harder to steal. It makes sense they are more expensive (poor example not available.) Whereas flamers and Grenades are PDF gear so cheap and easy.

If they want to toss balance out completely (on right track with 5 point increments) just give us PL and be done with it.