GSC Board Control

[No One]

Have had this list idea stuck in my head, based on what I've been playing and the discussion around the gaunt carpet.

FAE Battalion
HQ Patriarch, familiar 150
HQ Magus+crouchling. Psyche 100
Troops 10 acos /w icon 90
Troops 10 acos /w icon 90
Troops 10 acos, 10 /w flamers and icon 110
Troops 10 acos, 3 saws /w icon 120
Troops 10 acos, 3 saws /w icon 120
Troops 10 acos /w icon 90
Elite Nexos 55
Elite Clamavus 60

FAE Patrol
HQ Patriarch 135
Troops 10 acos /w icon 90
Troops 10 acos /w icon 90
Troops 10 BB 50
Troops 10 BB 50


Kraken Patrol
HQ Broodlord 125
HQ Neurothrope 95
Troops 30 terms 150
Troops 30 horms 180
Troops 10 terms 50

Total: 2000

Alternative with a dedicated PA squad:

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TH Battalion
HQ Patriarch, familiar 150
HQ Magus+crouchling. Psyche 100
Troops 10 acos /w icon 90
Troops 10 acos /w icon 90
Troops 10 acos, 10 /w flamers and icon 110
Troops 18 acos, 3 saws /w icon 184
Troops 10 acos, 3 saws /w icon 120
Troops 10 acos /w icon 90
Elite Nexos 55
Elite Clamavus 60


HQ Patriarch 135
Troops 10 acos /w icon 90
Troops 10 BB 50
Troops 10 BB 50


Kraken Patrol
HQ Broodlord 125
HQ Neurothrope 95
Troops 30 terms 150
Troops 30 horms 180
Troops 3 rippers 36
Trooops 3 rippers 36


Total: 1996

It seems solid: just secure scoring hold/hold 2 primaries, WWSWF as a secondary option to fairly reliably get >30, and then just restrict opponent to hold 1 for as many turns as possible with lying in wait, PA, metabollic/overrun and advance and charge stuff. With hopefully enough bodies, and enough threat to hold ground and kill off anything that comes close. But not sure if it's actually got enough staying power to last. Also aggressors exist.

[nidzy]

This list should still be able to touch some aggressors after losing a squad or two to them which is not a terrible thing, ultramarines(and also overwatch) aside. What are your cults for the GSC? I am assuming FAE in there somewhere for vect? Can we get a swear filter for calling that vect BTW? Like (It's called generations friend)?

What spells/relics are you planning? I ask these things because they are required to be in the list in 9th per my understanding and it has been one of the things messing with me when list crafting for GSC and nids.

I believe this to be a strong list when played really cagily as it is very unforgiving. It isn't a playstyle I have succeeded with all that well in the past but I also really love the visual of acolytes coming out of the sewer to just be there and take points away from an opponent and then dying. I also think that with practice it can be really fun. It feels very on point in terms of fluff. They ran in and blew up a thing and then died or whatever.

I would love to see a batrep or game summary if you get a chance.

[No One]

nidzy said:

This list should still be able to touch some aggressors after losing a squad or two to them which is not a terrible thing, ultramarines(and also overwatch) aside.

If I can get a decent charge against them (bad touch is...potentially an option, but also unreliable. I think every list that runs aggressors has either fall back and shoot, or shoot in combat), I think I'm fine. But I've got a similar threat range to them, and if they've got double tap they're picking up squads i.e. probably everything that could threaten retaliation.

What are your cults for the GSC? I am assuming FAE in there somewhere for vect?

...Woops, typo from lazy copy/paste from my other list. Should be FAE for both: I don't think Generations is worth contorting a list for. But it gives +2 CP, DS charge options, and same/better threat range than TH T1. Running TH in my other list so I don't rely on DS charges, and instead use advance+charge with S5 for damage, but since this isn't really a damage list and can afford to throw units away to make a charge and steal an objective, FAE seems better. Especially with WLT and Generations.

What spells/relics are you planning? I ask these things because they are required to be in the list in 9th per my understanding and it has been one of the things messing with me when list crafting for GSC and nids.

I believe this to be a strong list when played really cagily as it is very unforgiving. It isn't a playstyle I have succeeded with all that well in the past but I also really love the visual of acolytes coming out of the sewer to just be there and take points away from an opponent and then dying. I also think that with practice it can be really fun. It feels very on point in terms of fluff. They ran in and blew up a thing and then died or whatever.

I would love to see a batrep or game summary if you get a chance.

Yeah, I'm lazy with lists while they're still at 'theorycraft' stage. Which this definitely is, considering some things aren't painted and I haven't painted in months...Will probably put together a painted variant, but not sure if it's worth testing over just getting reps in with my other list. As you say, while it seems like something that could be quite strong, it would need to be played well, and I don't know if I'll have the opportunity to get enough games in to play it well/quick enough. Would definitely like to give a test run though, it's been bugging me too much to just leave it as a theory list .

But if you're curious: for this list, just the FAE WLT for CP. Powers:
Patriarch: mental onslaught. Probably psionic in this one just for psychic oomph, even thought that's usually...bad. If I didn't have the 2nd patriarch, which would be the cast in current painted variant...stim as back up, because I want charges more than I want damage.
Magus: crouchling+psyche for reliable casts of might and stim, with as 3rd hyp for if I don't need/once per game to shut down e.g. aggressors.
2nd patriarch: probably MO still, and...stim as back up. Then just smite bot or psychic actions.
Broodlord: onslaught

Neuro: catalyst

Edit: Fully painted version (i.e. probably all I'd end up playing ) would look something like:

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FAE Battalion
HQ Patriarch, familiar 150 WL +D3 CP. MO, psionic
HQ Magus+familiar 100 Might, hyp, stim. Crouchling+psyche
Troops 10 acos /w icon 90
Troops 10 acos /w icon 90
Troops 13 acos, 13 /w flamers 130
Troops 16 acos, 3 saws /w icon 168
Troops 10 acos, 3 saws /w icon 120
Troops 10 acos /w icon 90
Elite Nexos 55
Elite Clamavus 60


FAE Patrol
HQ Magus 85 MC, stim
Troops 10 acos 80
Troops 10 acos 80
Troops 10 BB 50
Troops 10 BB 50


Kraken Patrol
HQ Broodlord 125 Onslaught
HQ Neurothrope 95 Catalyst
Troops 30 terms 150
Troops 24 horms 144
Troops 10 terms 50
Troops 3 rippers 36


Total: 1998

[benlisted]

I very much like this list idea and have had some idle thoughts about making MSU acolytes work as a gant carpet alternative. Have you considered running Pauper princes as your cult? Whilst I was thinking about 5-mans, similar reasoning applies here - you spend 80pts on icons across the list that could be another 10 acos, and without a primus the full reroll to hit is better. You lose vect but that's half your starting CP when you have plenty of other uses for it, and if you do need to make a charge then PA is there. Goes against your rationale of just needing to make charges, but if you were going full on down that route you'd be playing gant carpet not acolyte carpet .

PP also gives you some interesting fight on death options that can be pretty tasty with lots of acos, those could be worth a try.

[No One]

benlisted said:

Have you considered running Pauper princes as your cult? Whilst I was thinking about 5-mans, similar reasoning applies here - you spend 80pts on icons across the list that could be another 10 acos, and without a primus the full reroll to hit is better. You lose vect but that's half your starting CP when you have plenty of other uses for it, and if you do need to make a charge then PA is there. Goes against your rationale of just needing to make charges, but if you were going full on down that route you'd be playing gant carpet not acolyte carpet .

Thought about it, doesn't compete. There's a few reasons, but basically other cults do what I want better:
- FAE gives a lot of options for doing what the list wants to do i.e. block objectives while not being harmless in combat. T1 threat range, DS charges, more CP (and also Generations is a good thing to have, even if I never want to use it).
- TH does damage better: even if you don't consider rr 1s to be worth 10 pts, S4->5 is almost as good as full rerolls. And TH gets +2 to advance as well.

When you have 8 squads, you need delivery mechanisms: PA is only a delivery method you can use for one (maybe two squads, since this list is happy to burn CP to deny VP. But that's sketch as a general game plan). And without CP reroll for the PA roll, it's not even a guarantee at that...FAE gives you delivery from DS, and T1 threat on aggressive elements like nurglings/infiltrators. TH doesn't give anything from DS, but if you can hide on the DS/from T1 advance, you've got pretty large threat range as well.

PP also gives you some interesting fight on death options that can be pretty tasty with lots of acos, those could be worth a try.

It's half a cc attack per aco. Meh.

[No One]

So, after seeing the 120 aco list place high and having my acos putting in work, thought I'd revisit my aco horde lists I'd been tossing around.


TH Battalion
HQ Patriarch, familiar 150 Warlord: +1 ld. Powers: MO, mutagenic
HQ Magus, familiar 100 Powers: Might, hyp, stim. Crouchling+psyche. Broodcoven: -1 to hit
Troops 10 acolytes /w icon 90
Troops 10 acolytes /w icon 90
Troops 10 acolytes /w icon 90
Troops 10 acolytes, 3 saws /w icon 120
Troops 10 acolytes 80
Troops 10 acolytes 80


FAE Patrol
HQ Primus 85 Broodcoven: +D3 CP
Troops 17 acolytes /w icon 146
Troops 20 acolytes, 3 saws /w icon 200
Troops 16 acolytes /w hand flamers, icon 170
Elite Clamavus 60
Elite Nexos 55


Kronos Patrol
HQ Neuro 95 Symbiostorm
Troops 3 Rippers 36
Troops 10 Termagants 50
Elites 6 Hive guard 300


Total: 1997


So, general idea is that the TH acos hide T1/counter charge anything that comes close midfield, while HG shell from safety: use hidden units to protect Chars on objectives if holding from hiding isn't possible. FAE drops T2/3 to pressure and provide space for TH to move up as a 2nd wave. Concerned about CP, considering I'll want double tap/PA/lying in wait. And not having anywhere to hide forward DZ/close midfield would probably be GG against a lot of armies.

Feels like it should have legs, but thinking on it a bit more I'm not 100% sure if I can reliably have enough workable secondaries, just because I don't necessarily want to be too aggressive for engage/linebreaker, and I don't really have enough throwaway units. But I do get possible WWSWF, so...probably OK, just need to read the match up well.