Tervigon Crusade list

[illithid]

My flgs is playing crusade and i want to join in.

I want to play my Tervigon since i can finally use its spawning ability without paying extra points. since im new and never played with power or in a longer term format like this i would like some help with the list.
I should propably focus on giving it lots of "adaptable biologies" since you can only do this when adding them to the list. 

Questions that immediatly popped up:

How many Termas? full troops get the bonus smaller troops are more agile and dont have alle the new 9ed disadvantages. If i have a troop with fleshborers i can reinforce them which might be usefull to keep xp.

Hive fleet wise i think i will take jormungander. The hivefleet where i can reroll 1s to hit doesnt do much since the tervigon already provides it. Are there custom hivefleets that would make sense?

Im also wondering what backup i should get. a few termagaunts and the tervigon already fill out the 25 points you get to field at the beginning. but you have a 25 point "sideboard"

zoanthropes seem fitting and swarms could be great for points.

[purestrain]

Sept 22, 2020 12:42:29 GMT illithid said:

My flgs is playing crusade and i want to join in.

I want to play my Tervigon since i can finally use its spawning ability without paying extra points. since im new and never played with power or in a longer term format like this i would like some help with the list.
I should propably focus on giving it lots of "adaptable biologies" since you can only do this when adding them to the list. 

Questions that immediatly popped up:

How many Termas? full troops get the bonus smaller troops are more agile and dont have alle the new 9ed disadvantages. If i have a troop with fleshborers i can reinforce them which might be usefull to keep xp.

Hive fleet wise i think i will take jormungander. The hivefleet where i can reroll 1s to hit doesnt do much since the tervigon already provides it. Are there custom hivefleets that would make sense?

Im also wondering what backup i should get. a few termagaunts and the tervigon already fill out the 25 points you get to field at the beginning. but you have a 25 point "sideboard"

zoanthropes seem fitting and swarms could be great for points.

You are incorrect,you must pay their cost in whatever system you use, crusade is no different.

[illithid]

Do you have any place where i can read that rule. I remeber hearing something about it costing extra points unless you are bringing a unit back but in crusade you dont pay the points for bonuses you buy since its power based.

i found the rule in an 8edition errata and it specifies extra points cost but maybe its different in the 9th edition rulebook. theres a ton of pages i havnt read yet.

Edit:

Found the rule. It is the sidebar on page 241 of the core rulebook and directly states that it only applies in points based games.
Are you aware that the crusade rules exclusively uses powerlevel? Though i didnt know about the above rule either, somebody just told me its a cool idea.

If you are playing a game with a points limit, you must set aside some of your points to use these rules.

[purestrain]

Sept 22, 2020 13:34:42 GMT illithid said:

Do you have any place where i can read that rule. I remeber hearing something about it costing extra points unless you are bringing a unit back but in crusade you dont pay the points for bonuses you buy since its power based.

i found the rule in an 8edition errata and it specifies extra points cost but maybe its different in the 9th edition rulebook. theres a ton of pages i havnt read yet.

I'm at work atm so its not nearby, but I'm pretty sure someone will come along and help out, I'm also sure this was discussed in another tervigon crusade thread recently

[nidnewbie]

The Tervigon allows you to replace 10 fleshborer termies per turn without any cost or penalty unless I have missed something. This can conceivably lead to a more durable unit of termies that could rack up exerience in crusades.

[hivefleetkerrigan]

1. Power level doesn't need to pay for reinforcements. Granted this can be house ruled as 10 PL of demons summoning can quickly snowball. Check with your store first, as there might be some limitations in place
2. You can regenerate up to 10 fleshborer gaunts lost in one unit per turn for free as long as the unit hasn't been destroyed.
3. For the tervigon, jormungandr is good. I'd back it up with a number of gaunts and some big bugs to draw fire away from the tervigon. Tervigons need a few turns in order to do good work.
4. For a custom fleet, 6+ invul saves for gaunts would be good. I'm not sure about the second trait there.

As for the list, I'd figure out if you want to go with jormungandr or a custom hive fleet first to figure out what type of list you want to build. Additionally, check on if you can do unlimited summoning as well. That would change my list answer if it's allowed or not allowed.

[infornography]

Is there a Crusade mode that uses points? I thought all Crusade used was PL. And as long as that is the case, you don't spend points you don't have to summon things.

Am I missing something?

[illithid]

Sept 22, 2020 16:46:14 GMT infornography said:

Is there a Crusade mode that uses points? I thought all Crusade used was PL. And as long as that is the case, you don't spend points you don't have to summon things.

Am I missing something?

You are correct. Crusade is always played with points. A user claimed that you still need to pay the points even in crusade but that was incorrect.

Its perfectly acceptable not to know each rule in a 400 page rulebook of course but that was what the confusion was about.

Thanks for all the replies.
Regarding summoning houserules: most players are playing primaris and said they didnt think 10 modells of basic gaunts are all that threatening. Demon summoning would be something else though.

[hivefleetkerrigan]

In that case, I'd probably run a tervigon, malanthrope, some monsters, and a squad of warriors in jormungandr. I'd then plop out new units of gaunts each turn to hold objectives, etc. Throwing in a lichtor or two for deepstrike would also help.

[purestrain]

Sept 22, 2020 16:54:35 GMT illithid said:

Sept 22, 2020 16:46:14 GMT infornography said:

Is there a Crusade mode that uses points? I thought all Crusade used was PL. And as long as that is the case, you don't spend points you don't have to summon things.

Am I missing something?

You are correct. Crusade is always played with points. A user claimed that you still need to pay the points even in crusade but that was incorrect.

Its perfectly acceptable not to know each rule in a 400 page rulebook of course but that was what the confusion was about.

Thanks for all the replies.
Regarding summoning houserules: most players are playing primaris and said they didnt think 10 modells of basic gaunts are all that threatening. Demon summoning would be something else though.

Crusade specifically uses PL. It also specifically states you have to pay for summoned units, of which, also gain no xp

You've been able to replace lost gaunts in an already formed unit since 8th.

[hivefleetkerrigan]

Sept 22, 2020 20:32:20 GMT purestrain said:

Sept 22, 2020 16:54:35 GMT illithid said:

You are correct. Crusade is always played with points. A user claimed that you still need to pay the points even in crusade but that was incorrect.

Its perfectly acceptable not to know each rule in a 400 page rulebook of course but that was what the confusion was about.

Thanks for all the replies.
Regarding summoning houserules: most players are playing primaris and said they didnt think 10 modells of basic gaunts are all that threatening. Demon summoning would be something else though.

Crusade specifically uses PL. It also specifically states you have to pay for summoned units, of which, also gain no xp

You've been able to replace lost gaunts in an already formed unit since 8th.

Got a page on summoned units for crusade?

[infornography]

Sept 22, 2020 20:32:20 GMT purestrain said:

Sept 22, 2020 16:54:35 GMT illithid said:

You are correct. Crusade is always played with points. A user claimed that you still need to pay the points even in crusade but that was incorrect.

Its perfectly acceptable not to know each rule in a 400 page rulebook of course but that was what the confusion was about.

Thanks for all the replies.
Regarding summoning houserules: most players are playing primaris and said they didnt think 10 modells of basic gaunts are all that threatening. Demon summoning would be something else though.

Crusade specifically uses PL. It also specifically states you have to pay for summoned units, of which, also gain no xp

You've been able to replace lost gaunts in an already formed unit since 8th.

Please cite what rules you are basing this on, I haven't been able to validate this position.

The only rule I have seen about keeping points aside for summoned units is claused as only being relevant in a points based game, which Crusade is not.

[illithid]

Sept 22, 2020 20:44:45 GMT hivefleetkerrigan said:

Sept 22, 2020 20:32:20 GMT purestrain said:

Crusade specifically uses PL. It also specifically states you have to pay for summoned units, of which, also gain no xp

You've been able to replace lost gaunts in an already formed unit since 8th.

Got a page on summoned units for crusade?

Summoned units in crusade are handled on page 327. The rules only states that you cant give them xp.

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[sarcron]

Yeah, go for the tervigon, it will be good fun, and a decent way to play to the tyranid heart. It's not ridiculously powerful, but it is a nice way to provide good strategy for your army. Go for it, and have fun!

[purestrain]

Damn yeah, I thought there was a section about costing for crusade, my bad.