new player 1k list

[hiveelysium]

I played in 4e/5e  and am waiting on my 9e book to arrive.  i have done a little research in preparation to creating this list.... correct my missteps please


Incursion 1,000 points
Hive Fleet Behemoth

HQ
Tyrant, (Voracious Ammunition, Pathogenisis, Smite, The Horror, Onslaught, Wings, 2x Two devourers with Brain Leech Worms)

Troops
Ripper swarm x5
Ripper Swarm x50
Ripper Swarm x5

Elite
Hive Guard x3

Fast Attack
Gargoyle x20

Heavy Support
Carnifex x2 (adrenal glands, Spore cysts, enhanced senses, thresher scythe, Monstrous scything talons, two devourers with brain leech worms)



Again i haven't been around for a bit.... and likely misunderstand the objective set up vs kill kill kill of old.


Strategy 
Flyrant flanks while shooting the hell out of light/medium troops, casting onslaught to speed up a carnifex, the horrors to debuff enemy shooters,
Ripper swarm A and B cower at two objectives
Ripper swarm C reserve to pop up to contest objective or take over a cleared objective
Hive Guard shoot tanks, heavy or medium infantry, and hold objective
Goyles- fly up to contest objective (preferably held by light infantry)
Carnifex march up the field shooting and clearing objectives or heading towards a thorn in my side unit to engage in combat

[hiveelysium]

nothing?

[beetlejuice]

There’s really no point to play your list as behemoth. None of your units really benefit from rerollable charges. The best thing about behemoth is the so called super flyrant, a flying hive tyrant with the scythes of tyran relic, adaptive physiology murderous size, possibly warlord trait monstrous hunger or adaptive biology and boosted by behemoth psychic power unstoppable hunger.

Rippers are best played in units of 3 imo with their natural deepstrike ability for cheap. More units are better than extra wounds imo. Might want to squeeze in some termagants/hormagaunts instead so you have infantry units for action secondaries.

Carnifex loadout is a big discussion, but either go full melee or full dakka with 4x devourers.

Hive guard prefer to be 6 man unit so they can max out the benefit of single minded annihilation stratagem for 2 CP every turn. Also they want to be kronos for reroll 1s to hit and a neurothrope casting symbiostorm.

All in all I’m sorry but this list is a bit all over the place so it’s hard to give advice. You could also consider a kraken list if you want speed to take the board. You don’t have enough bodies to benefit from leviathan and not enough monsters for jormungandr imo.

[beetlejuice]

1k is a weird size as far as secondaries goes. If you have the models you could do 2x flyrants with devs and MRC. Drop the carnifex and hive guard for an exocrine with dermic symbiosis and the second flyrant. Smaller ripper units and 1-2 lictors for secondaries (linebreaker, engage all fronts, deploy scramblers).

I think you will be surprised how quickly things without invul saves (such as carnifex) die in this edition.

[hiveelysium]

Great fredback thanks guys, ill try to rework a bit,

As for the hybrid fex build i was told hybrids are better this eddition as they can shoot in side melee

[beetlejuice]

Sept 12, 2020 17:37:49 GMT hiveelysium said:

Great fredback thanks guys, ill try to rework a bit,

As for the hybrid fex build i was told hybrids are better this eddition as they can shoot in side melee

Hybrids usually refer to acid maw + 4x devs. Single scything talons are in a weird place.

[afewveiws]

MST on a fex are str6 ap -3 d3, not really a wierd place since its a great profile for killing multi wound elite units. Low attack count because the game makers hate us but a pair of fexes with 1xmst and a pair of devs should do fine work rolling with eachother.

Acid maws are fine too though. But that does make the model cost more points and consid err ing how easily they can be removed from the board i think cheaper is better.

[beetlejuice]

Like you say, problem is attack count so if you take MST you kinda want tusks, but then those devs wont be doing much, so you might as well take 2x MST.

[afewveiws]

Or you just have a 10pt cheaper fex that does a flat 3 damage and rerolls 1's that still is hybrid. The dev is only really good against chaff but i guess there is a trade off for 24 shots from them instead of 12 but trade offs makes it so that both have play based on prefrence.

I personally just go with pure melee since they afe markedly cheaper and are better at what i want them for which is antielite. So i dont have a solid oppinion on hybrid but numbers wise both hybrid builds mentioned above can work.

Dual dev with MAW is going to be primarily chaff clearing while the single set devs with MST is going to be primarily antielite. Considering the general meta of elite heavy enemies .... just a thought not a fact.