Crusade and carnifex

[hivefleetkaiju]

I read through the section about splitting unit but is still confused about it

If I want to add a new carnifex to my order of battle, and my order already has a unit of carnifex (but not full), may I add that carnifex into the existing unit, or do I have to add it as a new unit?

[purestrain]

Aug 20, 2020 11:55:29 GMT hivefleetkaiju said:

I read through the section about splitting unit but is still confused about it

If I want to add a new carnifex to my order of battle, and my order already has a unit of carnifex (but not full), may I add that carnifex into the existing unit, or do I have to add it as a new unit?

It will cost you 1 rp to add up to two more to that brood, plus 12pl(6 for each), or 6pl each and a new slot on your roster

[hivefleetkaiju]

Aug 20, 2020 12:08:44 GMT purestrain said:

Aug 20, 2020 11:55:29 GMT hivefleetkaiju said:

I read through the section about splitting unit but is still confused about it

If I want to add a new carnifex to my order of battle, and my order already has a unit of carnifex (but not full), may I add that carnifex into the existing unit, or do I have to add it as a new unit?

It will cost you 1 rp to add up to two more to that brood, plus 12pl(6 for each), or 6pl each and a new slot on your roster

But didn’t the fresh recruit requisition mention excluding monster?
So it’s confusing how to increase the size of monster unit

[purestrain]

You are correct, you have to add them as a whole brood it seems or never add any at all

[hivefleetkerrigan]

If your other carnifex don't have much XP, just drop and readd. It would be good to get a FAQ regarding tanks/carnifex that can split. Wondering if that was an oversight.

[hivefleetkerrigan]

Aug 20, 2020 11:55:29 GMT hivefleetkaiju said:

I read through the section about splitting unit but is still confused about it

If I want to add a new carnifex to my order of battle, and my order already has a unit of carnifex (but not full), may I add that carnifex into the existing unit, or do I have to add it as a new unit?

I did some more thinking on this and I think I was thinking of it incorrectly. To my interpretation, each carnifex included in a crusade force is one unit
When you assemble an order of battle, you can combine them to be deployed together. What do others think of this interpretation?

[purestrain]

Aug 22, 2020 17:52:11 GMT hivefleetkerrigan said:

Aug 20, 2020 11:55:29 GMT hivefleetkaiju said:

I read through the section about splitting unit but is still confused about it

If I want to add a new carnifex to my order of battle, and my order already has a unit of carnifex (but not full), may I add that carnifex into the existing unit, or do I have to add it as a new unit?

I did some more thinking on this and I think I was thinking of it incorrectly. To my interpretation, each carnifex included in a crusade force is one unit
When you assemble an order of battle, you can combine them to be deployed together. What do others think of this interpretation?

It specifically states that each one of a separating unit (broods of fex or columns of leeman russ) is its own datasheet and gains xp and abilties separately, but then the rules for upgrades go on to say its for monster units... so typical gw stuff there.

[hivefleetkerrigan]

Aug 22, 2020 19:50:34 GMT purestrain said:

Aug 22, 2020 17:52:11 GMT hivefleetkerrigan said:

I did some more thinking on this and I think I was thinking of it incorrectly. To my interpretation, each carnifex included in a crusade force is one unit
When you assemble an order of battle, you can combine them to be deployed together. What do others think of this interpretation?

It specifically states that each one of a separating unit (broods of fex or columns of leeman russ) is its own datasheet and gains xp and abilties separately, but then the rules for upgrades go on to say its for monster units... so typical gw stuff there.

Which rules for upgrades specifically? Curious as an FLGS is operating a crusade league and I'd like to know the rules pretty well before I start.

[purestrain]

Aug 22, 2020 20:08:55 GMT hivefleetkerrigan said:

Aug 22, 2020 19:50:34 GMT purestrain said:

It specifically states that each one of a separating unit (broods of fex or columns of leeman russ) is its own datasheet and gains xp and abilties separately, but then the rules for upgrades go on to say its for monster units... so typical gw stuff there.

Which rules for upgrades specifically? Curious as an FLGS is operating a crusade league and I'd like to know the rules pretty well before I start.

Battle traits for monsters speak of units, so idk I guess the unit gets the upgrade but each one gets their own benefits from weapon upgrades and xp?

Slightly confused now lol

[murderfiesta]

There are some monsters and vehicles that can be taken in units that don't split, and some that do split. If we look at Genestealer Cults, Achilles Ridgerunners are a vehicle unit that doesn't split after deployment, and Sentinels are a unit that does.

For units that split on deployment, you add them to your roster as separate entities. You'd add three Ridgerunners as one unit, but you'd add three Sentinels as three separate units.

Same with Carnifexes.

HOWEVER! And this is the complicated part - even though each Sentinel or Carnifex has a different crusade card, they are still treated as a single unit in your Order of Battle. You cannot add three Carnifexes to your Order of Battle as a single unit, and then bring only one of them on a mission. From page 327:

"If you have any such units in your Order of Battle you must fill out a separate Crusade card for each model (or group of models) that is treated as a separate unit during the battle - these individual components gain experience points, Battle Honours, take Out of Action tests and acquire Battle Scars separately. When you make a Crusade army, if you select this unit to be part of your army list you must include all the separate Crusade cards (you cannot, for example, only choose part of the unit). "

It's very clear-cut. If you add three carnifexes to your Order of Battle as separate units, they each have their own Crusade cards and each one of these three carnifexes that you choose to bring occupies its own Heavy Support slot. If you add three carnifexes to your Order of Battle as a single unit, they each have their own Crusade cards but MUST be taken together as a unit of three that occupies a single Heavy Support slot if you elect to bring them to a battle, and you must bring all of them or none of them.