Chapter Tactics #172

[N.I.B.]

Best units and army lists for all factions, Tyranids at 7:13

[timcz]

Anyone have Matt Evans list from flying monkey con that Falcon mentions?

[Kitane]

Aug 19, 2020 10:07:18 GMT timcz said:

Anyone have Matt Evans list from flying monkey con that Falcon mentions?

From reddit, supposedly this:


++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Tyranids) [76 PL, 12CP, 1,279pts] ++

Configuration +

Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)

Detachment CP

Hive Fleet: Kronos

HQ +

Neurothrope [4 PL, 95pts]: Power: Symbiostorm, Resonance Barb, Warlord

Tyranid Prime [6 PL, 82pts]: Adrenal Glands, Boneswords, Lash Whip and Bonesword

Troops +

Ripper Swarms [2 PL, 36pts] . 3x Ripper Swarm: 3x Claws and Teeth

Tyranid Warriors [5 PL, 63pts] . Tyranid Warrior: 2x Scything Talons . Tyranid Warrior: 2x Scything Talons . Tyranid Warrior: 2x Scything Talons

Tyranid Warriors [13 PL, 243pts] . Adaptive Physiology: Enhanced Resistance . Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Scything Talons . Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Scything Talons . Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Scything Talons . Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Scything Talons . Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Scything Talons . Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Scything Talons . Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Scything Talons . Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Scything Talons . Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Scything Talons

Elites +

Hive Guard [13 PL, 250pts] . 5x Hive Guard (Impaler): 5x Impaler Cannon

Heavy Support +

Exocrine [11 PL, 170pts]

Exocrine [11 PL, 170pts]

Exocrine [11 PL, 170pts]

++ Patrol Detachment -2CP (Tyranids) [39 PL, -4CP, 721pts] ++

Configuration +

Detachment CP [-2CP]

Hive Fleet: Behemoth

Stratagems +

Bounty of the Hive Fleet [-1CP]: 1 Extra Bio-artefact

Progeny of the Hive [-1CP]

HQ +

Hive Tyrant [11 PL, 220pts]: Adrenal Glands, Monstrous Rending Claws, Monstrous Scything Talons, Power: Paroxysm, Power: Unstoppable Hunger, Scythes of Tyran, Wings . Adaptive Physiology: Murderous Size

The Swarmlord [15 PL, 270pts]: Power: Catalyst, Power: The Horror

Troops +

Ripper Swarms [2 PL, 36pts] . 3x Ripper Swarm: 3x Claws and Teeth

Heavy Support +

Tyrannofex [11 PL, 195pts]: Acid Spray

++ Total: [115 PL, 8CP, 2,000pts] ++

[N.I.B.]

To summarize, they say competitive Tyranids are odd in that we have isolated units that are really good, or can be made good. But only one unit can be good because it require one-of buffs like stratagems or physiologies. Tyranids have a hard time to make a list that pushes a cohesive strategy and still be good. For instance, a unit of Hive Guards shooting twice is really good, but only one unit can shoot twice, and there's only so many places on the board you can hide Hive Guard units. Likewise, a unit of Tyranid Warriors that can pop the damage reducing strat is good, but it's only one unit per turn that can do that. Likewise, a slingshotted unit of Genestealers is really good, but only one unit can do that. There's nothing we can spam (maybe outside of Zoanthropes) that will help us win games or allow us to form a cohesive force.
Tyranids are still 40K on hard mode, since a decade.

[N.I.B.]

Is there a timestamp on the 'best list' for nids?

[xsquidz]

Aug 19, 2020 5:27:30 GMT N.I.B. said:

Best units and army lists for all factions, Tyranids at 7:13

Do you know if they talk about GSC at some point?

[hivemind03]

At around 34:00

Quick summary: theyre bad. One guy says their are edge cases where a horde might be playable. Another one says ridgerunners are good but if the meta starts to tech for things like the Primaris ATV, then the ridgerunner won't hold up. The last guy says running 50% Guard for chimera and dudes is the way he would go.

I agree with the first two but have a hard time seeing how running a Brood Brother heavy list would ever be better than running a real Militarum list, which apparently isn't very good to begin with.

[kazetanade]

Aug 19, 2020 13:32:49 GMT N.I.B. said:

Is there a timestamp on the 'best list' for nids?

Didn't hear a "best list". Basically I heard consensus that Tyranids is the toolbox/jack of all trades army, and running based on 1 of each good unit and throw as much cheap obsec as you can at people.

[mattblowers]

Aug 19, 2020 15:56:43 GMT hivemind03 said:

Another one says ridgerunners are good but if the meta starts to tech for things like the Primaris ATV, then the ridgerunner won't hold up. The last guy says running 50% Guard for chimera and dudes is the way he would go.

Arguably the best Guard player, Brandon Grant, says he think there is no reason to ever play GSC as the choices they are left with Guard can do everything better with.

[phenatix]

Honestly I didn’t find this on too insightful for tyranids. The Best in Faction episode covering them was much better: player.fm/series/best-in-faction/ep-63-faction-focus-the-hive-mind-speaks

As mentioned here, their thought is that Tyranids can’t push a cohesive strategy and should take a bunch of 1 off units that are mostly only good with a specific stratagem applied to them. I’m not sure I’m convinced by this strategy...

[xetemara]

Aug 19, 2020 13:48:45 GMT xsquidz said:

Aug 19, 2020 5:27:30 GMT N.I.B. said:

Best units and army lists for all factions, Tyranids at 7:13

Do you know if they talk about GSC at some point?

They say MSU style GSC horde can have _some_ play but generally everybody votes GSC as the bottom of the barrel. 

[Kitane]

6 Zoans + Neuro, 6 HG, 9 enhanced resistance warriors and 1-2 exocrines (1st for T1, 2nd in reserves for T2) is a reasonable core of our strong units that can work well with that 1-per-unit limitation.

That leaves 700-900 points for other bioforms.

[purestrain]

Been thinking of a dakkafex squad full of spitters and acid maw, lower output than devourers but can threat mid sized monsters and light tanks as well, but I'd also play with a haruspex because 2cp makes him a viable crowd chewer.

That would force my hand into swarmy and then it's basically not that comp anymore

[xetemara]

player.fm/series/best-in-faction/ep-63-faction-focus-the-hive-mind-speaks

This was actually a very good listen:

[mattblowers]

Aug 20, 2020 12:08:15 GMT xetemara said:

player.fm/series/best-in-faction/ep-63-faction-focus-the-hive-mind-speaks

This was actually a very good listen:

Thanks for that, I'll take a listen.