BRB vs CA

[N.I.B.]

I purchased the BRB today, but now I wonder if I made a mistake. Someone said the rules are in CA too, so I'm considering returning the BRB and buying the leaner and cheaper CA instead. Can someone who has both explain the differences between them please?

[nidnewbie]

Besides fluff, the BRB has the crusade rules. If you only do match play and don't care for fluff you can probably pass. I suppose the print is bigger in the big rule book if that's an issue. I have seen lots of folks say this CA is one of the best things GW has ever done. it's made to be used during a game.

[winterman]

Jul 25, 2020 21:33:12 GMT N.I.B. said:

I purchased the BRB today, but now I wonder if I made a mistake. Someone said the rules are in CA too, so I'm considering returning the BRB and buying the leaner and cheaper CA instead. Can someone who has both explain the differences between them please?

So FedEx delayed the arrival of my CA book, but second hand info from goonhammer and other reviews said the GT2020 book does not have the building an army rules (so detachments, etc etc) but has everything else needed for matched/adv play (core, terrain, reserves, etc).

www.goonhammer.com/the-grand-tournament-2020-mission-pack-the-goonhammer-review/

I had the same idea as you but now think I'll keep both, but travel with the GT2020 book.

[N.I.B.]

Jul 25, 2020 22:09:07 GMT winterman said:

Jul 25, 2020 21:33:12 GMT N.I.B. said:

I purchased the BRB today, but now I wonder if I made a mistake. Someone said the rules are in CA too, so I'm considering returning the BRB and buying the leaner and cheaper CA instead. Can someone who has both explain the differences between them please?

So FedEx delayed the arrival of my CA book, but second hand info from goonhammer and other reviews said the GT2020 book does not have the building an army rules (so detachments, etc etc) but has everything else needed for matched/adv play (core, terrain, reserves, etc).

www.goonhammer.com/the-grand-tournament-2020-mission-pack-the-goonhammer-review/

I had the same idea as you but now think I'll keep both, but travel with the GT2020 book.

Thanks for the link, I read:

The GT2020 pack is split 50:50 between two things:

9 Incursion and 9 Strike Force missions, plus common rules shared between them such as an updated list of Secondary Objectives.
A reprint of the game’s core rules plus almost all of the “advanced rules” like Terrain and Reserves, with only Army Construction being left out.

So the Eternal War missions aren't in there? Anyway, I'll probably switch the BRB for GT2020, I kept the receit.

[autoxidation]

I have both (got the BRB in Indomintus for the Necrons. Haven't given them a fair comparison yet. Is there anything specific I can look for that you're concerned about?

[zimko]

I just did a tournament with the new rules, and we didn't open the BRB once. Everything you need is in the CA booklet. And it's very light weight so you wont need to worry about lugging around the 10 lb brick book.

[winterman]

Four of six of the eternal war missions were copied in. Some tweaks to the secondary were made (for the better, that article spells it out). The mission steps are identical it seems (other than banning Vigilus era stuff)

The eternal war is the baseline for matched play, but organized play looks like it will get a new yearly book. Which i think will be good, means the errata and rules changes will hopefully get a clear republish every year, rather than sift through two FAQs and design docs.

[N.I.B.]

Thank you guys!

[tomb]

Frustratingly I don't think the list of blast weapons is in the matched play CA nor are the army composition pages. I'm not sure if the new core strats are either?
Aside from that it's a brilliant little book.

Furthermore, be aware that some of the matched play secondaries are changed from those in the BRB.

[zimko]

Jul 26, 2020 15:36:41 GMT tomb said:

Frustratingly I don't think the list of blast weapons is in the matched play CA nor are the army composition pages. I'm not sure if the new core strats are either?
Aside from that it's a brilliant little book.

Furthermore, be aware that some of the matched play secondaries are changed from those in the BRB.

The core strats are in the CA. But you're right that the detachment compositions are not, nor is there a list of blast weapons.

[zimko]

Also, the CA has a 'Rare Rules' section that is basically an FAQ. There they specify that any weapon that 'ignores cover' will ignore the effects of Light Cover, Heavy Cover and Dense Cover but if it says 'ignore benefits of saving throw from cover' then it only ignores Light and Heavy Cover.

[Hive Bahamut]

The fact this thread exists makes me even more leery at the cash grab. Buy 9th Edition! Buy our app! Buy all 14 books released at launch day that are all only 50% relevant! Why you not buying yet!?

You all have phones don't you? (Another infamous developers quote.)

If Hive Guard ignore Dense that is just one more reason to staple them in.

[gigasnail]

Jul 26, 2020 16:08:36 GMT zimko said:

Also, the CA has a 'Rare Rules' section that is basically an FAQ. There they specify that any weapon that 'ignores cover' will ignore the effects of Light Cover, Heavy Cover and Dense Cover but if it says 'ignore benefits of saving throw from cover' then it only ignores Light and Heavy Cover.

Isnt that different than the FAQ rare rules, where it said they just ignore Light Cover? Or do I need to go back and re-read the FAQ?

[zimko]

Hive Guard's rule says they ignore the saving throw of cover. So according to the 'Rare Rules' section in CA, this means they ignore Light and Heavy Cover. Only units that state they ignore all effects of cover or all benefits of cover get to ignore Dense Cover.

[Hive Bahamut]

So back to best in slot without static BS3+. Oh well.