2k 9th RETURN of the super tyrant

[zimko]

Before COVID and before Tank Aces, just after BoB, I created the Behemoth Super Tyrant, which is a Flying Hive Tyrant with Sythes of Tyran, a gun, murderous size and Unstoppable Hunger buff which turned him into a deadly beatstick that could engage whatever he wanted on turn 1.

He fell out of style for me when my opponents could kill him too reliably on turn 1. Tank Commanders gained the ability to double move and shoot their cannon with flat 3 damage and that pretty much made it impossible to keep the Tyrant on the board on turn 1.

Well now comes obscured terrain. It's going to be much more difficult for someone to get an angle on him on the first turn. And with the other changes to 9th, I think we're going to see more vehicles. So it's time to revive him and try him out.

Behemoth Battalion
- Broodlord w/ Resonance Barb, Warlord, Unstoppable Hunger 125
- Flyrant w/ MST (Scythes of Tyran relic), TwinDevourers, Adrenal Glands, Toxin Sacs, Murderous Size, Catalyst, Psychic Scream 245
- Swarmlord Catalyst, Onslaught 270
- 18 Genestealers 270
- 18 Genestealers 270
- 10 Hormagaunts 60
- 10 Hormagaunts 60
- 10 Hormagaunts 60

Kronos Patrol -2 cp
- Neurothrope Symbiostorm 95
- 3 Rippers 36
- 3 Rippers 36
- 6 Hive Guard w/ Enhanced Resistance 300
- Exocrine 170
total: 1997 pts and 10 cp

At it's core, this is basically our 8th edition staples but fewer models. I want to play something familiar in 9th edition, and see how it does in the new meta before making a drastic shift in tactics. My opponents may be familiar with it but their own lists may be drastically different and wont have the same answers. Genestealers are certainly a much bigger liability now with their increased cost, but their speed and utility (especially with Behemoth's power of +1 to wound) is hard to replace. Small units of Hormagaunts, with metabolic overdrive, should be able to snipe objectives from my opponent. All scoring is done at the start of each player's turn, so if I can get a unit of 9 to 10 ob sec on an objective to deny my opponent a 2nd hold, that could be a major swing in points. One could do this with termagants as well, but without kraken I think I'll need the extra movement from Hormagaunts to reach the objectives.

Despite having fewer models to work with, there's still threat overload in the form of Super-Flyrant, Swarmlord, 2 units of Genestealers, Hive Guard and Exocrine.

My local shop is hosting a 9th edition tournament this Saturday. We will have a chance to build our lists before the event (after seeing the official books to confirm our points are right). So I'm looking forward to trying this out.

[opossum]

This list looks great 2 me. The only change i could value (and i'm not sure is worth) is to cut a single hive guard to add 10 gaunts. But the main idea looks really solid.thx for share

[N.I.B.]

Good luck, and let us know how you fare. I'll also play my first 9th ed game saturday.

[sleep]

Your hive tyrant costs 255 now. MST went up in points and the devourers are a pair so you pay for 2.

[zimko]

Jul 24, 2020 6:22:58 GMT sleep said:

Your hive tyrant costs 255 now. MST went up in points and the devourers are a pair so you pay for 2.

My source says the MST for a hive tyrant are still 15 pts. But I see another spreadsheet that says they are 25. So I'll have to wait for the book to confirm.

This is the source I have been using: drive.google.com/file/d/1bKZlJ7TvP0gs5q9YTk4iJ_cR3wrkEbJv/view

In the event that they are 25 pts, I will downgrade a hormagaunt unit to a termagant unit.

[kwisatzhaderach]

MST are 15 points for a single pair, and 20 points for two pairs.
Source - photos of the new points: www.reddit.com/gallery/hw5znh

I like the idea of a super Tyrant. There is definitely a lot more terrain that can obscure, that's for sure. Especially if you're playing with the Nova L's and other stuff in the center, I think the Tyrant could do a ton of damage. 

[kazetanade]

The key is Obscurred - can you let us know your impressions of Obscurred terrain covering Flyrants? I think their wings are still too long to hide most times, unless you place them right on the edge of terrain and have the wing stab right in there to get 100% coverage (which I think but not sure if works), since it takes so much space away from the GS.

[zimko]

Alrighty, had the tournament. I didn't do that great with 1 and 2 record but I learned some things.

First of all, the Super Flyrant is decent. Obscuring terrain is great for us and it easily hides the Flyrant. In all 3 games, he was never in danger of dying on turn 1 before I could move. My first opponent had 3 doomsday arks and none of them could shoot him. In that game, he shot across the board and ate 6 Destroyers before were able to do anything. He then died but he absorbed enough fire with Catalyst to make it worthwhile. It allowed my Genestealers to get into place to eat Necron Warriors and Ghost Arks. My opponent had 40 Warriors, 2 Ghost arks, 6 Destroyers, 6 Wraiths and 3 Doomsday Arks. At the end of the game he only had a blob of 20 warriors and 2 characters. The Genestealers did great here.

Genestealers did good against Necrons, not good against Custodes, and decent against Nurgle. The Nurgle game should have been a win but my god my opponent was making WAY too many 4+ and 5+. I've killed many Mortarions in 8th edition so I have a good idea what how much punishment he could take. This Mortarion weathered a full unit of 18 Genesteales, double firing Hive Guard and Exocrine with +1 damage... and he came out of all that with 8 wounds left. W.... T.... F.... So anyway, I hate blaming dice but my opponent's rolls were hot. I came out of the Nurgle game with 61 points to my opponent's 79. Needless to say that Mortarian surviving is VERY bad. Against Custodes the Genestealers just couldn't do anything. Part of that is my fault because I didn't set them up well for Unstoppable Hunger. I was using the Broodlord to score me secondaries instead of using his Resonance Barb and Power to buff the Genestealers. In the future I think I will try to run 2 Broodlords, 1 for the purpose of getting secondaries and 1 for Genestealers.

Separating the Hormagaunts into units of 10 instead of a big unit of 30 may not be the right call. For one thing, I didn't realize until I was playing that you CAN NOT perform actions after advancing. So this seriously limits our ability to accomplish secondaries like 'Raise the Banner'. It means I can't just hide behind a wall and run out there. I need to deliberating move out there ahead of time. So a unit of 30 will have a better chance at accomplishing actions and holding objectives. I'm also thinking that just using Termagants is a better call.

I'm also considering Zoanthropes. They'd be a better match against Custodes I think. But it's tough to figure out how to fit them in.

I'm also definitely looking at my unbuilt 2nd Exocrine and thinking it's time to build it.

[beetlejuice]

Thanks for the write up, confirmed a lot of my suspicions.