anti-meta build

[jdot]

so since the new meta is going to be custodes and SM of some variety ive begun thinking of lists specifically designed to counter them. i present to you, the list that i have won 3 9th edition games with against custodes and death guard.

battalion - Leviathan - 1390pts



HQ - 315pts

Neurothrope- 95

- smite, onslaught

Old One Eye - 220



TROOPS - 450

termagant - fleshborer x30 - 150pts

termagant - fleshborer x30 - 150pts

termagant - fleshborer x30 - 150pts



HEAVY SUPPORT
carnifex - x3 375pts

- x2 sything talons, bone mace, tusks, shrouding spores, adrenal glands

- x2 sything talons, bone mace, tusks, shrouding spores, adrenal glands

- x2 sything talons, bone mace, tusks, shrouding spores, adrenal glands



carnifex - x2 250pts

- x2 sything talons, bone mace, tusks, shrouding spores, adrenal glands

- x2 sything talons, bone mace, tusks, shrouding spores, adrenal glands





spearhead - Kronos - 605pts





HQ - 95pts

Neurothrope - 95 - WARLORD

- resonance barb, smite, symbiostorm



HEAVY SUPPORT - 510

Exocrine - 170

Exocrine - 170

Exocrine - 170



im still wanting to improve this list however, has anyone had any luck with a different list?

[beetlejuice]

Have you tried it with moving 10 gants to kronos, make it a patrol and trade 2 exo for 6 hive guard? Just don’t see a reason to leave home without them. You save 1 CP too if you make the neuro in levi bat warlord.

[kurtangle2]

This list bleeds secondaries, hence it's bad

[Iryan]

Jul 22, 2020 12:03:49 GMT kurtangle2 said:

This list bleeds secondaries, hence it's bad

Unless you are running a list consisting almost exclusively of elite infantry, your opponent will usually not have trouble getting 10+ points for the target-based category of secondaries. We also generally rely on our psychic powers to stay competitive, and most our hqs are psykers, so the opponent can also just choose Abhor the Witch. As far as I can tell, it is extremely hard to build a nid list that denies target-based secondaries without significantly gimping yourself. What would that even look like, 12~18 hiveguard and then warrior spam with 1~2 monsters?

What I am getting at is, your feedback sucks.

[jdot]

Jul 21, 2020 23:06:18 GMT beetlejuice said:

Have you tried it with moving 10 gants to kronos, make it a patrol and trade 2 exo for 6 hive guard? Just don’t see a reason to leave home without them. You save 1 CP too if you make the neuro in levi bat warlord.

i think i will try that, having the 3 exocrines can be great and all but i can definitely see many situations where you get screwed by your opponents savvy deployment. 6 hive guard with symbiostorm and single-minded annihilation could be pretty good. i think im just now realizing that i dont know how their "enemies do not get the benefit of cover" ability works with the new cover system. got more stuff to look up apparently!

[beetlejuice]

Jul 22, 2020 19:08:27 GMT jdot said:

[6 hive guard with symbiostorm and single-minded annihilation could be pretty good

Understatement of the year. They are always awesome and the most value you will ever get out of those precious CP. Don’t forget -1/-2 AP adaptation to keep them alive. About the ignore cover, unless specified further the RAW atm is ignore both light and dense cover.

[cmob208]

Looks like a cool list idea. Just curious - you won 3 - how many losses? I was considering a similar list with behemoth stonecrusher carnifexes coming in as reserves.

[1ofmany]

FYI the army listed has to pay 3CP for the spearhead (NOT refunded by the warlord) and 3CP for the battalion (because the warlord isn't there) for a total of 6CP. Just make the neuro in the battalion the WL to get the 3CP refund.

[N.I.B.]

Jul 22, 2020 19:08:27 GMT jdot said:

Jul 21, 2020 23:06:18 GMT beetlejuice said:

Have you tried it with moving 10 gants to kronos, make it a patrol and trade 2 exo for 6 hive guard? Just don’t see a reason to leave home without them. You save 1 CP too if you make the neuro in levi bat warlord.

i think i will try that, having the 3 exocrines can be great and all but i can definitely see many situations where you get screwed by your opponents savvy deployment. 6 hive guard with symbiostorm and single-minded annihilation could be pretty good. i think im just now realizing that i dont know how their "enemies do not get the benefit of cover" ability works with the new cover system. got more stuff to look up apparently!

Impaler Cannons ignore Light and Heavy cover, but sadly not Dense cover. Meaning, if you target something in Dense Cover they get -1 to hit like everyone else.

x2 sything talons, bone mace, tusks, shrouding spores, adrenal glands

This build went up from 107 to 125pts, or 16.8%. Not great, not terrible. I'd probably cut 1 Exocrine and 1 Carnifex to buy those 6 Hive Guards and BOOM! 2000pts on the dot.