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[swarm492]

Jul 13, 2020 21:37:16 GMT jdot said:

well the new points for 9th are out and im am very unhappy to say the least. they took every unit thats worth anything in the tyranid roster and made them so outrageously expensive. hive guard, genestealers, hive tyrants. 8th edition is my first edition in this game and i bought a surplus army from my friend. as one of the first armies to get a codex with 8th edition they started out strong but it wouldnt last. with every single faq and CA since 8th started they have found a way to nerf they nyds again and again and again. be it by directly nerfing them or by giving every other army a version of the tyranids ability thats just strictly better. They have done the nyds so dirty since ive started paying attention. even our PA book has a puny 8 pages for the nyds while pretty much the entire rest of the book is for blood angels. 

i am so incredibly unhappy with GW it puts a really sour taste in my mouth about the whole game in general and really makes me contemplate just not playing anymore. i hate this whole trend of just "play space marines or lose" its so boring and im tired of it. tyranids were by far one of the worst armies affected by the points increase even though most of their units were already overpriced to begin with. im just angry, maybe irrationally maybe not i just dont know.

someone with more experience please tell me if im wrong here and im just overreacting or if my feelings are justified. because as much as id like to believe that the other armies also got hit with this points increase hard enough to counteract the terrible increases the nyds have got i just have a feeling that we got hit way harder than we needed to and its just makes me feel very alienated in general.

am i wrong...?

Come...let me sing you the song of my people.

On a serious note its not the end of the world/game, some stuff is a little heavy handed sure, but its far from unplayable. Ive been playing nids since 3rd edition, some of the people here have been playing nids even longer than that. This doesn't even register on my radar of crazy stuff GW has done in the past, to nids or other armies for that matter. As a nid player you have to embrace the reality that we are not GW's cash cow so we are not their favorite. We get enough to stay in the game, less than some, more than others depending on the edition. We are never handed victory but we always get enough to stay in the game, that don't mean the game is going to be easy for you.

Like nids in fluff you will need to be proactive and adapt and overcome. Constantly minimizing you opponents strengths while exploiting their weaknesses. Nids are a very fun army to play, that said I would never play them if I only cared about winning, I care about my army and the fun I gain among friends.

[Kitane]

Jormungandr grants light cover. It’s in the core book at the end.

[hiveman75]

[/quote]the nys got hit harder by the points increases than almost any other faction. by alot. jormungandr is also a huge grey area rn since the just so happened no not clarify their rules as to what kind of cover they get. they are actively trying to push people away from tyranids so they they have to buy whole new armies when they finally get their first new models in years[/quote]


Did they gsc and drukhari have it much worse. Nids didn't get a great point increase but welcome to xenos. Try to have fun playing the game even if you are mad at gw. They will always make bad decisions when it comes to nids because they don't have nids players

[jdot]

Jul 14, 2020 0:45:12 GMT hiveman75 said:

the nys got hit harder by the points increases than almost any other faction. by alot. jormungandr is also a huge grey area rn since the just so happened no not clarify their rules as to what kind of cover they get. they are actively trying to push people away from tyranids so they they have to buy whole new armies when they finally get their first new models in years[/quote]


Did they gsc and drukhari have it much worse. Nids didn't get a great point increase but welcome to xenos. Try to have fun playing the game even if you are mad at gw. They will always make bad decisions when it comes to nids because they don't have nids players[/quote]

youre not wrong but being in the bottom 3 is pretty much just as bad as being at the bottom

[yoritomo]

Jul 13, 2020 21:37:16 GMT jdot said:

well the new points for 9th are out and im am very unhappy to say the least. they took every unit thats worth anything in the tyranid roster and made them so outrageously expensive. hive guard, genestealers, hive tyrants. 8th edition is my first edition in this game and i bought a surplus army from my friend. as one of the first armies to get a codex with 8th edition they started out strong but it wouldnt last. with every single faq and CA since 8th started they have found a way to nerf they nyds again and again and again. be it by directly nerfing them or by giving every other army a version of the tyranids ability thats just strictly better. They have done the nyds so dirty since ive started paying attention. even our PA book has a puny 8 pages for the nyds while pretty much the entire rest of the book is for blood angels. 

i am so incredibly unhappy with GW it puts a really sour taste in my mouth about the whole game in general and really makes me contemplate just not playing anymore. i hate this whole trend of just "play space marines or lose" its so boring and im tired of it. tyranids were by far one of the worst armies affected by the points increase even though most of their units were already overpriced to begin with. im just angry, maybe irrationally maybe not i just dont know.

someone with more experience please tell me if im wrong here and im just overreacting or if my feelings are justified. because as much as id like to believe that the other armies also got hit with this points increase hard enough to counteract the terrible increases the nyds have got i just have a feeling that we got hit way harder than we needed to and its just makes me feel very alienated in general.

am i wrong...?

First time? Pull up a chair and we'll buy you a drink. You know we have jackets, right?


The of unnameable things that GW has done to tyranids is long and distinguished. You kind of get numb to it after a while. It doesn't make it right, but you get used to it.

If you want to know why this happens it is because tyranids are an "outside the box" army. For a long time the core rules that all other armies used kind of broke down when applied to tyranids. This made it really easy to overpower or nerf tyranids if you didn't know how to design a game. If there's one thing we know about GW games design is that it varies between editions from okay to trainwreck. Additionally, GW tends to take the good ideas they have and spread them around once they know that they are good. It's annoying, sure, but we've received as much as they taken from us.

In the end we are exactly were GW wants us. A fun army to play casually with your friends that won't break the game. Is that where we want to be? No, but what can you do?

[jdot]

Jul 14, 2020 1:22:00 GMT yoritomo said:

Jul 13, 2020 21:37:16 GMT jdot said:

well the new points for 9th are out and im am very unhappy to say the least. they took every unit thats worth anything in the tyranid roster and made them so outrageously expensive. hive guard, genestealers, hive tyrants. 8th edition is my first edition in this game and i bought a surplus army from my friend. as one of the first armies to get a codex with 8th edition they started out strong but it wouldnt last. with every single faq and CA since 8th started they have found a way to nerf they nyds again and again and again. be it by directly nerfing them or by giving every other army a version of the tyranids ability thats just strictly better. They have done the nyds so dirty since ive started paying attention. even our PA book has a puny 8 pages for the nyds while pretty much the entire rest of the book is for blood angels. 

i am so incredibly unhappy with GW it puts a really sour taste in my mouth about the whole game in general and really makes me contemplate just not playing anymore. i hate this whole trend of just "play space marines or lose" its so boring and im tired of it. tyranids were by far one of the worst armies affected by the points increase even though most of their units were already overpriced to begin with. im just angry, maybe irrationally maybe not i just dont know.

someone with more experience please tell me if im wrong here and im just overreacting or if my feelings are justified. because as much as id like to believe that the other armies also got hit with this points increase hard enough to counteract the terrible increases the nyds have got i just have a feeling that we got hit way harder than we needed to and its just makes me feel very alienated in general.

am i wrong...?

First time? Pull up a chair and we'll buy you a drink. You know we have jackets, right?


The of unnameable things that GW has done to tyranids is long and distinguished. You kind of get numb to it after a while. It doesn't make it right, but you get used to it.

If you want to know why this happens it is because tyranids are an "outside the box" army. For a long time the core rules that all other armies used kind of broke down when applied to tyranids. This made it really easy to overpower or nerf tyranids if you didn't know how to design a game. If there's one thing we know about GW games design is that it varies between editions from okay to trainwreck. Additionally, GW tends to take the good ideas they have and spread them around once they know that they are good. It's annoying, sure, but we've received as much as they taken from us.

In the end we are exactly were GW wants us. A fun army to play casually with your friends that won't break the game. Is that where we want to be? No, but what can you do?

i just want to be competitive. i want to be able to face another army and at least feel like i have a chance. any tourny list just shreads them with no chance of success. its just not fun when you know the outcome of the game before it even starts. its anti-fun. its a 3 hour game of "pick up the tyranids". theres just no point in playing them imo unless you are going against another garbage tier army. i was so hopeful that maybe, just maybe, they could undo all the terrible things theyve done to nyds in 8th and theyd be worth playing again. and while i feel our spot in the tier list hasnt changed, the distance between us and the other armies just increased drastically. i feel so far behind that its depressing.

[yoritomo]

Dude, GW does not think about 40k in competitive terms. In their minds it is still just a beer and pretzel game you play with your mates. It's why they pushed power levels in 8th edition and made the point costs so hard to figure out without a list builder.

[purestrain]

Jul 14, 2020 1:33:28 GMT yoritomo said:

Dude, GW does not think about 40k in competitive terms. In their minds it is still just a beer and pretzel game you play with your mates. It's why they pushed power levels in 8th edition and made the point costs so hard to figure out without a list builder.

That's because it IS a beer and pretzels game, and no amount of meandering with rules will change that.

[dotcomee]

The fact that overwatch is now a stratagem makes Tyranids almost worth playing. Most armies can only overwatch once per turn which makes charging a lot more fun.

[michigo]

This surely isn't the end of the world for nids.
Everyone and their mother is comparing the best model+wargear points from 8th to the same model+wargear in 9th.

The thing is: the best is decided by effectiveness in combat AND point costs, aka we will find a few new "best" models+gear.
I guess the biggest struggle for many will be genestealers, many lists prefered them heavely.

And even that is only half of it: smaller battlefields, only 5 turn, less Overwatch and many new options to score VP by doing stuff unrelated to shooting the enemy of the board...

PS:
Ofc the new blast rules are a pain in the a**.

[topaxygourouni]

Jul 14, 2020 3:27:33 GMT dotcomee said:

The fact that overwatch is now a stratagem makes Tyranids almost worth playing. Most armies can only overwatch once per turn which makes charging a lot more fun.

Aside from the occasional flamer, when did overwatch really hurt anybody?

Do you know what makes charges a lot less fun? The fact that you can't multicharge unless you roll 11+, and the fact that no matter what you do your opponent will just walk out of combat, tri-pointing or not. What also makes charges a lot less fun are 15 pt stealers.

Things look extremely dire for Tyranids at the moment.

[hivefleetkerrigan]

Jul 14, 2020 6:18:32 GMT topaxygourouni said:

Jul 14, 2020 3:27:33 GMT dotcomee said:

The fact that overwatch is now a stratagem makes Tyranids almost worth playing. Most armies can only overwatch once per turn which makes charging a lot more fun.

Aside from the occasional flamer, when did overwatch really hurt anybody?

Do you know what makes charges a lot less fun? The fact that you can't multicharge unless you roll 11+, and the fact that no matter what you do your opponent will just walk out of combat, tri-pointing or not. What also makes charges a lot less fun are 15 pt stealers.

Things look extremely dire for Tyranids at the moment.

Ork overwatch on a full unit of shooter boyz could be scary. I know I lost a lot of models to that one game.

[gorsameth]

Jul 13, 2020 23:00:24 GMT topaxygourouni said:

Rule of three doesn't seem to exist any more.

Just saying.


Of course SupCom is also hosed but still we could maybe bring back the old 7 flyrant lists.

So long as you don't go out to buy a bunch and then complain when the rule is included in the other CA book with tournament missions

[topaxygourouni]

Jul 14, 2020 13:49:14 GMT gorsameth said:

Jul 13, 2020 23:00:24 GMT topaxygourouni said:

Rule of three doesn't seem to exist any more.

Just saying.


Of course SupCom is also hosed but still we could maybe bring back the old 7 flyrant lists.

So long as you don't go out to buy a bunch and then complain when the rule is included in the other CA book with tournament missions

I have many bunches of everything. I have 6 HT (3 flying) and 2 Swarmlords. I do not collect them to spam them in game, I collect them because I want to have a whole hive fleet.

The only unit that really hurt me when GW put a limit on it was the lictor going from 1-3 to single per unit.

[dan3dim]