Genestealer Cult Podcast

[aythir]

Sorry if this is not the correct place to post this, if its not please let me know which subforum and I will move it.

I wanted to get into making a GSC podcast just to help expand the community for the past year but I had a lot of life events over 2019 and I decided with the new ITC season and me not going to start a new army I needed a new project so I decided to stop procrastinating and do it.

Just finished editing the first episode of Brood Brothers Broadcasting. It has two competitive Texas players in it and we talk about the current state of the GSC meta. We will probably also include our allies in some stuff in the future. It has a pretty dry sense of humor/sarcasm. Let me know what you think and if there is anything I can do to make it better.


soundcloud.com/user-895841929/brood-brothers-broadcasting-episode-1

[swarm492]

I needed something new to listen to while painting this morning.

Thank you

Good commentary and pacing btw.

[aythir]

Thank you for the feed back. I appreciate all the enjoyment im getting from all the places I've posted. I think starting next podcast I'll have a spotify so I won't have to keep posting and you will have an RSS feed

[aythir]

Just finished episode 2

soundcloud.com/user-895841929/brood-brothers-broadcasting-episode-2

I am trying to get onto spotify and currently in the process. I might need more episodes before allowed.

[muggins]

I'm halfway thru ep1 and you guys are doing a great job. If I could offer one piece of advice it would be to explain stuff as much as you can; if you talk about a strategy or trick, fully explain it in detail. Don't use jargon or assume people know what you're talking about. An example would be when you talked about how GSC have been put behind because so many armies have received stuff to counter them. Maybe provide some examples

This rss worked for episode 2

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[No One]

Things as I go through:

-Nice to hear someone else tried out (and burned through) brigade+ worth of CP .
-Regarding MO: I dropped it for a while, but then I used it again in a test game and 100-0 an impulsor and talonmaster with only clamavus, so that's definitely coming back. Especially taking magus with extra cast to take some pressure off patriarch casts. Important thing to note: first roll is ld contest only. Only then does it stop on a 6 or ld contest. So you're quite likely to get at least that initial mortal, and it can still be a super highrolly power. (And yes, it was overpowered: you didn't need all the tax, it just was. You could fairly reliably heavily damage/kill most models every turn with very little investment).
-High skill, high impact (and cost) shouldn't really be a reason not to nerf things: Ynnari was high skill, high impact...
Now, GSC got nerfed in CA (which...was too much even outside meta shifts). And being too strong doesn't mean that they couldn't give us actually decent stuff, even if it wasn't for the good things in Codex i.e. acos/aberrants.
-Why do people complain about primus' rr 1s? It's like people forget he has another ability...
-Pick your trait can be good, but you need something as a 2nd pick that makes up for everything you lose. Like Eldar, who don't have anything good there. Or if the secondary trait wasn't good originally (or non-existant in the case of FAE), and you can take a strong one instead. Like there might be something with ignore heavy and reroll hits for mining laser neos.
-Yeah, you can't really fit any more than 120 acos usefully considering reserves.
-Neat aside, reroll 1s is better than +1 before accounting for CP reroll.
-Regarding tricks: I very rarely have my opponent's volunteer their tricks. Because their is a lot of stuff around. (I've had one guy volunteer Purge's strat). But stuff like auspex, I always ask, I've never had someone volunteer that they have strats.
-Moving/keeping blips is potentially overpowered just from movement blocking: drop a blip on an objective, can't hold it. Eh.
-Having more 'tricks' to counter everyone's counters to our 'tricks' would've been nice...Because I think that's the biggest issue. Stuff like Alpha Legion getting a bunch of strats saying 'stuff you GSC' isn't fun. That or some more stuff like what Alpha Legion or Night Lords got: I thought the explode a vehicle strat was almost a shoe-in .
-Buy acolytes? I approve of this advice

[muggins]

One neat mechanic I think GSC could definitely have is something like an arc node from WM. Once per turn a Magus or Patriarch can cast a psychic power from a sergeant of any squad, basically. So a lot of our short range spells would be more powerful

[No One]

Eh, could be a neat strat for following turns I guess? But I find psykers want to drop ~9" away with everything else anyway (for protection and/or buffs), at which point the short range is generally a non issue, and if it's not then the guys that just dropped as well don't help. Could do some neat stuff with lying in wait every now and then though.

Definitely still better than what we got (outside of actual magus strat, I wouldn't trade that for your suggestion ).

[No One]

Episode 2!

-Some lists use aberrants as on board stuff T1, either with TH/clamavus buffs to make T1 charges on mid board targets, or to just hide midfield terrain. But yeah, TH/FAE is just way better.
-I actually don't mind innate fighters. PP is a thing. That's basically PP trait with an upside, since you get another half, which is generally better than full rerolls due to still wanting a primus anyway. Now, PP's relic, WLT and psychic power are all at least usable and can be very strong, but it's at least not auto trash tier like most of the others (something I've seen discussed is this+reroll with metas, which gives more flexibility than PP in where you charge, but less reliability than FAE. I don't like it over FAE, but it might actually have consideration over PP??).
-Grenade launchers are assault. It's basically terrible outside of throw 10 frags at S4 instead of S3, which is once per turn. Woo.
-I'm on the fence about FAE: it's a very powerful ability. But the use case is? The idea of a suicidal use case...it's WC8, and it's a suicide 80 pts (basically) unique model (unless you're running 2 FAE/mixed dets, it's either your Vect or strat magus, neither are things you want to lose). I've got enough casts in my list, but I don't know what I'd ever use it on to give up the flexibility of a different known power.
-It doesn't even do that. It actually changes it to 'model' instead of 'unit'. So...it's not even as good as it seems.
-I am actually writing to GW. Because...wow.
-The Cult's psyche is 100% the best thing out of this release. By a long way. Basically guaranteed hyp/might (I'm running 2 patriarchs+magus: already FAE, so don't need to worry about mixed )? Lovely. Even without any other psykers, it's nice to have an extra cast, and 2/3 casts with +1 from the crouchling.
-Something to remember with Genetic Lineage: you can also use the regen strat for effectively another +3" to the charge. So for 2 CP and clamavus, you can essentially get a 11"+3d6 charge. With broodsurge WLT, that's a very reliable >20" charge.
-We replace Militarum Tempestus with Brood Brothers, so wouldn't actually get Militarum Tempestus strats anyway. Though interestingly, basically all of the IG strats aren't Astra Militarum restricted. So you could use them on GSC stuff. You'd have to take an IG det to get strat access in the first place, so why you'd take them as GSC rather than IG in the first place, I don't know, but it's still neat.

[mattblowers]

I'll have to check it out!

[aythir]

Wow did not see any replies to this post or I would have responded sooner lol. I just checked because I was going to be posting my 3rd podcast soon and wanted to check the thread. I appreciate all the responses that everyone has left and I am going to try and address everything back to maybe give a better idea of what I meant and or just to have a nice discussion with fellow GSC players!

Muggins - That is some good advice I am going to try that more starting with podcast 4. I kinda wanted to try and keep the podcasts under an hour and if I explained everything I felt I would be pushing 2 hours because if you ever meet me IRL (being a teacher) I can just keep talking and talking and talking lol. I Think I plan on episode 4 to be more about our lists and specific tactics/ideas we are doing and seeing since the Texas season is about to start in april.

No One - Yea I really liked being able to do almost every trick in the book and really have a toolbox and unfortunately it requires a (please do not swear) ton of CP. I actually miss having some of those tax units now that my list is almost too lean lol.

Yea I wasnt very clear in the MO stuff but I knew the first MW always goes off. I just was mostly talking about the 2nd MW that you play the minigame with. I still hate that power and would rather just cast smite with how my luck has always been. I am not denying that the power could be clutch but I dont like something that I have such a huge variance for its efficiency. Just personal preference!

I am complaining about the RR 1s because I feel like for the cost of the model including spending a CP should be more efficient then it is. I think clifton even mentioned he almost always forgets to use the RR 1s part because the +1 to hit is the reason we bring him, I personally dont think that is enough to be fine with the investment of pts and a cp for that ability to just give another unit.

I think in the second podcast we talk about the moving without penalty and reroll hits. I currently am using it and enjoying it but miss the bladed cog stuff that I am missing out on.

What I meant about the blip idea was more so you can remain like 1-3 blips in blip form until maybe the shooting phase or assualt phase. Just to help against all the hyper aggressive stuff we have to deal with being vulnerable turn 1 to stuff being flung 30" + into our lines and killing us. (I have had lots of bad experiences to shining spears and seer council).

I know some use abarents on the board turn 1 or lying in wait them into a building and then try to move advance and stimulus. I just felt it was more moving parts then I liked and I have a love hate relationship with abarents. I ran 25 at LVO 2 years ago and it did not go well at all and was my worst showing at GT+ ever.

My issues with the metamorphs stuff is that they are still metamorphs. I want to take me some but acolytes are just so much better since they are also a troop and unlocks everything for more CP

I actually brought the FAE power last week at and RTT every game just to see if I would use it... I didnt

IDK what you were saying the changes to a model not unit to be able to respond haha or what you are writing GW about

Yea you can regen for a bigger charge but I always seem to have my entire units destroyed but when they arnt if I need that extra bit of range and have that extra CP its always a good trick! I kinda forgot about talking about that one.

Thanks for the Tempests thing, I wasnt sure if they would lose that keyword since I dont have any interest running brood brothers so I never bother to check.

[No One]

aythir said:

Yea I wasnt very clear in the MO stuff but I knew the first MW always goes off. I just was mostly talking about the 2nd MW that you play the minigame with. I still hate that power and would rather just cast smite with how my luck has always been. I am not denying that the power could be clutch but I dont like something that I have such a huge variance for its efficiency. Just personal preference!

I look at it like a targetted smite, since it's usually going to do 1-3 wounds. Which is usually better than a smite because you'll be charging most smite targets anyway . And then its high roll is both more effective and more likely than smite's D6. Worth a power slot? Depends how many psykers you have: hyp and might are still definitely better, and mind control could be better to have in some match ups. But my current list has 7 known: I don't need that many back up powers, and FAE power is...powerful effect hampered by targetting restriction and range to probably not have a use case.

I am complaining about the RR 1s because I feel like for the cost of the model including spending a CP should be more efficient then it is. I think clifton even mentioned he almost always forgets to use the RR 1s part because the +1 to hit is the reason we bring him, I personally dont think that is enough to be fine with the investment of pts and a cp for that ability to just give another unit.

Yeah, the extra rr 1s not being worth a CP is fair. I think it could be (I've used a lot of CP to reroll a 1 for 2+ to wound saws to completely discount it), but the pre game loss of flexibility makes it far less appealing.

My issues with the metamorphs stuff is that they are still metamorphs. I want to take me some but acolytes are just so much better since they are also a troop and unlocks everything for more CP

I'll agree with that, I'm running massed acos.

IDK what you were saying the changes to a model not unit to be able to respond haha or what you are writing GW about

Woops, should've mentioned: it's Jackal's strat that's model. Also wrote to GW about the basically entire GSC section of the book, because it's bad.

[aythir]

I can agree with the math behind mental onslaught and it being better then smite with that but I should be more specific and I only really ever run 2 casters mostly. SOMETIMES I get crazy and run 3 but with the limitedness of our casters I always just plan on trying for MH MFB and sometimes MC. Smites are just that extra i dont need something so ill just throw a smite. If pats and magus both could cast 2 I would be using it. I just always had bad luck with it and not a fan of taking up a spot thats just way more valuable on my lonely 2 casters. I do like the flex it gives in being able to snipe out models. If there is a mix unit you can target a specific one maybe that has something you dont want to deal with. What I have tried to do but always failed cuz the power hates me was when stuff like talos were meta I would smite 1 talos deal a wound then target a different talos with MO and it would kill 2 if it ever actually worked for me. I wish the new FAE power was instead shut down a units auras for a turn. at least then the range would feel good at 18".

I think the 1 cp pregame should just give him rr 1s for all enemies at that point. I dont think it would be that op.

I thought I mentioned the jackal strat was by model not unit. Maybe my brain was just melted so hard I messed up what I said, I was talking to ppl prior about how its so bad and it must have slipped my mind again lol!

I have been enjoying Clifs memes about how bad it is on facebook but the last one got taken down RIP

I currently am only running 50 acolytes. I have an awkward 10 man unit I start on the board as a deterrent  but not sure if I just want to bring it back to 10 BB with a knife sanctus or try to make a Locus work

[mule]

Pretty sure FOTHM Ridge Runners are back on the menu, marines lost a lot of their S5 AP -1 to -2 shooting so they're a lot harder to remove now.

[4ndr01d]

Where's the NEXT EPISODE ? #DrDre #KeepPodding #MoarContentPlease