Maleceptor worth using in a defensive list?

[shadowfinder]

Has anyone been using them in list?

I was thinking about using one as a backfield late middle field unit supporting two 9 man warrior blobs with a Mal for -1 to hit.

I was wondering if -1 Str and -1 to Hit bubble's worth doing for a hard to shift back field?

Rest of army would be likely GSC assault units. around 18 CP.


Is anyone using them to good effect?
What type of list are you using?

[kazetanade]

Male/Mala combo with 90 gaunts and 18 Zoeys. Feels way better in ITC than Maelstrom or std EW, but works a storm.

A max unit Can take a full unit of rerolling aggressors to the face and still survive, denying the kill point. More so if you tag then with Horror.

Warriors probably can still do it but the number of ap-3 out there is a little worrying. Tau instakill with S9 ap too high damage 4min, basically picking up 2/3 of a warrior squad with 1 Riptide . Eldar fliers do the same thing and today also ignore cover. Cents also ignore cover so you cop the no cover, but you should survive assuming you ignore ap-1 and ap-2.

[hiveoverall]

Mar 9, 2020 1:01:26 GMT shadowfinder said:

Has anyone been using them in list?

I was thinking about using one as a backfield late middle field unit supporting two 9 man warrior blobs with a Mal for -1 to hit.

I was wondering if -1 Str and -1 to Hit bubble's worth doing for a hard to shift back field?

Rest of army would be likely GSC assault units. around 18 CP.


Is anyone using them to good effect?
What type of list are you using?

Tried that exact configuration, and my advice is to follow Kate's advice: replace warriors by 3*30 termagaunts, spread out, hop you don't fact classic ork lists with 90 boyz minimum.

Warriors simply don't occupy the board well enough, and 6++ gaunts are really much better than on would think at first glance. I love my warriors, but they cost too much IMHO for mal/mal + gsc assault, and ap3 stuff blasts them quite well. Also they don't like being rushed by fast asault stuff, whereas 6++ gaunts can withstand quite a beating suprisingly enough (and if they get wiped out it's no big deal is it ?). 

You won' have points for the zoaeys because you will be dropping GSC assault units. I think this can work (3*90 gaunts, neurothorpe or broodlord, mal/mal, patriarch acolyte iconW, clamavus, GSC assault units) 

[winterman]

Two identical Tyranid lists went 4-1 at Grim resolve, a 28 person GT in Alaska (iron man so 5 games in one day...). Kronos double batts featuring maleceptor and lots of gaunts and tervigons
3 Tervigons
1 Malanthrope
1 Maleceptor
2 Exocrine
2 Biovore
6 Hive Guard
3x30 Terms
1x26 Terms
2x3 Rippers

Some variation of this concept seems like best use of a Maleceptor/Malanthrope combo in my opinion. Threat saturation from so many T8 bodies and T3 bodies but still a lot of ranged capability.

[kazetanade]

Remove the Tervigons and just flood with more Termagants or Gargoyles, you will have a 5-0 winning list. With 2 Exos, possibly 1 in a pod, and HG constantly firing, Biovores to help with a bit of MW or Kronos spell, and hard to kill Gaunts.

If you can split it to Levi Gaunts and Kronos shooters somehow...

Like Matt says, if you're doing gaunt carpet then you need almost 200 Gaunts. A Maleceptor increases your gaunt count by like 25% while making other things harder to kill too, so balance somewhere there.

[shadowfinder]

So everyone is saying gaunt 150+. To many models to move for me.

Plus i have a lot of ork players in my meta doing lot's of boys.

Was looking at warriors for less model count, since i am running GSC with 70+ models with lots of moving parts.

So everyone saying warriors are a no go...?

For me gaunt carpet is not fun to play..

[hivefleetkerrigan]

I don't think warriors are a no go. Generally against orks, my strategy is to try to delay them as much as possible. As such, I'd recommend running a few warriors in each unit as lashwhip and bonesword. That way, when they kill a warrior, they won't be able to consolidate further into your forces.

Another idea is to run them in Kronos with stranglethorn cannons and symbiostorm. You'll explode hits on a 4+ if you're sitting next to a prime. Hope this helps!

[irondreddknight]

Mar 10, 2020 17:21:36 GMT hivefleetkerrigan said:

I don't think warriors are a no go. Generally against orks, my strategy is to try to delay them as much as possible. As such, I'd recommend running a few warriors in each unit as lashwhip and bonesword. That way, when they kill a warrior, they won't be able to consolidate further into your forces.

Another idea is to run them in Kronos with stranglethorn cannons and symbiostorm. You'll explode hits on a 4+ if you're sitting next to a prime. Hope this helps!

I hadn't considered warriors and barbed stranglers as a target for symbiostorm. Really like that combination.

[fuerchtegott]

I use Mal/Malceptor in my Custom Scythed Hierodule list. -1 strentgh really shines with her T8. She goes out, kills something and with a automatic 18 inch Overrun ends the turn in the bubble again. So not really defensive, but really good.

[kurtangle2]

May 1, 2020 6:39:24 GMT fuerchtegott said:

I use Mal/Malceptor in my Custom Scythed Hierodule list. -1 strentgh really shines with her T8. She goes out, kills something and with a automatic 18 inch Overrun ends the turn in the bubble again. So not really defensive, but really good.

Aside from S9 and S5 weapons, T7 benefits much more from -1 Strenght weapons.
T7 now gets wounded on 6s by all common antinfantry weapons (S4) and still gets to benefit against S8 weapons (which are the majority of antitank weapons whereas S9 are literally Lascannon equivalents)

[niiai]

Mar 10, 2020 17:21:36 GMT hivefleetkerrigan said:

I don't think warriors are a no go. Generally against orks, my strategy is to try to delay them as much as possible. As such, I'd recommend running a few warriors in each unit as lashwhip and bonesword. That way, when they kill a warrior, they won't be able to consolidate further into your forces.

Another idea is to run them in Kronos with stranglethorn cannons and symbiostorm. You'll explode hits on a 4+ if you're sitting next to a prime. Hope this helps!

My regular oponent is an ork, so I am very biased. But ork boys, power claws, nobs and big T8 melee vehiclea means that he is better in combat then I am. I also have a very hard time killing his T8 models. (GSC helps with that. S9 Baby, if only they hit.)

If you run warriors (or acid spray tyranofex) you need gaunt speed bumbs vs orks. Their big stuff do not like being delayed. Same with boys deepstrike shenanigans. Screen those warriors vs orks. Also, rockets are much verse vs warriors if you are leviathan with 6+++.

[hivefleetkerrigan]

May 3, 2020 16:42:08 GMT niiai said:

Mar 10, 2020 17:21:36 GMT hivefleetkerrigan said:

I don't think warriors are a no go. Generally against orks, my strategy is to try to delay them as much as possible. As such, I'd recommend running a few warriors in each unit as lashwhip and bonesword. That way, when they kill a warrior, they won't be able to consolidate further into your forces.

Another idea is to run them in Kronos with stranglethorn cannons and symbiostorm. You'll explode hits on a 4+ if you're sitting next to a prime. Hope this helps!

My regular oponent is an ork, so I am very biased. But ork boys, power claws, nobs and big T8 melee vehiclea means that he is better in combat then I am. I also have a very hard time killing his T8 models. (GSC helps with that. S9 Baby, if only they hit.)

If you run warriors (or acid spray tyranofex) you need gaunt speed bumbs vs orks. Their big stuff do not like being delayed. Same with boys deepstrike shenanigans. Screen those warriors vs orks. Also, rockets are much verse vs warriors if you are leviathan with 6+++.

My point is that lashwhip and bonesword allows you to make a really good speed bump if the orks get into melee with the warriors. Lwbs makes it so that if a model does before it has fought, it remains on the table, until it has fought. If your opponent kills a warrior with lwbs, the model is still on the table, so they have to pile in closer to the model in question. This prevents them from killing the warrior squad and then overrunning from there.