Sentinels?

[mattblowers]

Anyone think there is any play in running plasma cannon sentinels? They are super cheap. Fairly resilient. And actually pack quite a punch. Only overcharge 1 unit (unless it's mission critical to kill something) and pop the strat for +2 to hit. Seems like a pretty leggit way to run them. I have 9 armoured and 3 scout so I'm just trying to decide if they have play. On paper they pair pretty nicely with Ridge Runners. Thoughts?

[xsquidz]

Feb 25, 2020 20:13:17 GMT mattblowers said:

Anyone think there is any play in running plasma cannon sentinels? They are super cheap. Fairly resilient. And actually pack quite a punch. Only overcharge 1 unit (unless it's mission critical to kill something) and pop the strat for +2 to hit. Seems like a pretty leggit way to run them. I have 9 armoured and 3 scout so I'm just trying to decide if they have play. On paper the pair pretty nicely with Ridge Runners. Thoughts?

I would probably just do lascannons and hunter missiles because after T1 they aren't going to be that great BUT don't forget they have that strat where they take 1/2 damage!  So a unit of 3 armourded Sentinels at T6, 3+ save and 6 wounds taking half damage?  That could be a very tough/annoying firebase for them to try and move and with lascannons you have the range to just sit back and shoot all game and score an objective unless they deal with them and then pop the strat.

I think they have some real potential!

[purestrain]

I think scouts would do better, simply because of the scout mobility to allow them to hide (if you have LOS terrain) couple with lifter sentinels because hilarious and the "crush em" strat for a first turn assault no one would really see coming

[kazetanade]

Gotta admit purestrain really don't think anyone will see it coming. That's 6 or 9A hitting on a 2+ S5 ap-1 d1? Which is more hilarious than dangerous but workers gotta work.

Only one unit gets the +2 right? Tbh there might be objective play here? Since there's a strategem for them to move twice like Nids get?

I guess potentially there's a damage play with one unit of lascannons too, so you could really drown them in lascannons fire. 9 Ridgerunners and 9 Sentinels would look dope on the table before getting charged, since it's super huge blocks of efficient wounds. That's 9 + 9d3 lascannons shots per turn? Buffable by Alphus?

[No One]

kazetanade said:

Since there's a strategem for them to move twice like Nids get?

Yeah, including the can't shoot or charge bit. (2d6" instead of double move as well, which is just flat worse). But lifters do get scout, so 18+3d6" first turn threat range is solid.

Gotta admit purestrain really don't think anyone will see it coming. That's 6 or 9A hitting on a 2+ S5 ap-1 d1? Which is more hilarious than dangerous but workers gotta work.

Eh? Lifters are powerfists (well, -2) with no hit negs and 3 attacks. So it was actually a fringe thing that was discussed: don't think it was ever actually good enough for people to really run/win with, but people did muck about with it in the IG Brigade days.

[timcz]

I have 3 plasma sentinels just sitting there waiting to do something with so might have to bust them out and give it a play with the 3 ridge runners I have. It’s not many, but could be good fun.

The strategems however, are they in the new PA book? Are they AM specific or for GSC?

Edit - just a thought too, with missile launchers and a HK missile, you’d be firing 6 x S8, -2, D6 damage shots too hitting on 2’s. Not bad at all.

[No One]

The new strats are almost all not Keyword locked to Astra Militarum (including the act at top bracket. It's just vehicle, so can soup. Yeah...). But you need to take an IG det to get them, so...unless you really like blips, there's not really any relevance to that.

[kazetanade]

I was thinking of sentinel chainsaws on scout sents. Not the power lifters in FW. My bad.

[No One]

Yeah, that's flat garbage. 2 pts for AP-1 on your 1 S5 attack.

[nod007]

Are the halve damage and +2 hit strat new? Did it come in PA greater good? Is it for cult? Because we cant use any astro strat for the the cult

[No One]

Yes, yes, sort of, no. There's only 2 that are Keyword locked to Astra Militarum, so the sent/russ/generic vehicle strats are all usable by Cult as long as you have an IG det. Cult can't use nid strats, no restriction on IG strats (outside of regiment strats).

[killercroc]

So I actually have 2 plasma armed Sentinels for my cult and wanted a third one to fill out the squad but plasma being D3 heavy shots on a BS 4+ model is very unappealing. However, with this new strat and the point drop I'm going to look at adding them back in. The idea was simple back in 7th, Cult didn't have a lot of ranged anti-Meq weapons and plasma Sentinels were cheap also... Sentinels are adorable! Who could say no to including the chicken walker into their army?

About their CCW that chain blade is a joke, 2 points to get a single AP? Maybe if it were +1 A and AP it'd be worth it but not now. The only time to ever look about adding the chain blade is if you took heavy flamer sentinels just because they're getting so close combat is an inevitability. If you want combat just go power loader. There are some instructions online how to make them out of plasticard so you don't have to hunt down the FW ones. Or just make your own combat ones with extra cult weapons glued to it. Sentinel with heavy rock drills would look pretty awesome.

[nod007]

In the genestealer cult codex it says on page 108.
" ...These astra militarum detachment are then known as Brood brothers detachment...."
Also it says
"..."Brood brothers detachment DO NOT gain any of the detachment abilities listed in codex:astra militarum, such as regimental doctrines, nor can they use any regiment specific STRATAGEMS, order etc"

[kazetanade]

Feb 26, 2020 18:00:50 GMT nod007 said:

In the genestealer cult codex it says on page 108.
" ...These astra militarum detachment are then known as Brood brothers detachment...."
Also it says
"..."Brood brothers detachment DO NOT gain any of the detachment abilities listed in codex:astra militarum, such as regimental doctrines, nor can they use any regiment specific STRATAGEMS, order etc"

Regiment. Specific. Strategems. 

Regiment Specific.

SPECIFIC.

Psychic Powers and Strategems are usable. From memory, relics and Warlord is expressly forbidden. 

Just dont try to make them Cadian and use FoF or the Cadian tank order and you're good to go.

[nod007]

Feb 26, 2020 18:09:20 GMT kazetanade said:

Feb 26, 2020 18:00:50 GMT nod007 said:

In the genestealer cult codex it says on page 108.
" ...These astra militarum detachment are then known as Brood brothers detachment...."
Also it says
"..."Brood brothers detachment DO NOT gain any of the detachment abilities listed in codex:astra militarum, such as regimental doctrines, nor can they use any regiment specific STRATAGEMS, order etc"

Regiment. Specific. Strategems. 

Regiment Specific.

SPECIFIC.

Psychic Powers and Strategems are usable. From memory, relics and Warlord is expressly forbidden. 

Just dont try to make them Cadian and use FoF or the Cadian tank order and you're good to go.

Aahh yes I see now, I have always read this as cant use any of these. This opens up a whole new window to explore and make a list.
Thank you for correcting me 🙂