Swarmlord vd Discolord

[wormlord666]

I haven’t faced Alpha Legion discolords a lot but I might do it this weekend. Shooting them is hard since they might be at -3/4. How will swarmlord do against him? 20 stealers?
What is the Hive minds collective experience of this?

[kazetanade]

Not good pairing.

6A 5hits 3-4 wounds, 2-3 fails.

But if you decide to do it, you better make sure that you do kill it, in the first volley. The backhand is really painful and liable to kill you outright.

[bigpig]

Swarmy loses hard. Even if he goes first he's not likely to do enough damage to put the disco down through his invul. If its fully buffed up and a flawless host (especially with WL trait) it puts out so many dang attacks!! Best to shoot it from range or better, smite it down. Discos also hate getting hemmed in by spore mines from Biovores that shoot from out of synapse after moving

[No One]

kazetanade said:

But if you decide to do it, you better make sure that you do kill it, in the first volley. The backhand is really painful and liable to kill you outright.

Without DttFE (AL, so not flawless host to get that vs us), it's actually really bad into Swarmy's 3++: <3 wounds on average on undegraded profile. Most of the stuff's wounding on 5s, and the few that aren't isn't enough to matter. Edit: Could of course buff it with daemonforge, which would hurt, but that's still not going to get there, and Swarmy will degrade it on average without defensive buffs (let alone voracious).

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bigpig said:

If its fully buffed up and a flawless host (especially with WL trait) it puts out so many dang attacks!!

OP specifically mentioned AL to buff it with hit negs. So its output is severely curtailed.

[kazetanade]

Jan 28, 2020 9:20:43 GMT No One said:

kazetanade said:

But if you decide to do it, you better make sure that you do kill it, in the first volley. The backhand is really painful and liable to kill you outright.

Without DttFE (AL, so not flawless host to get that vs us), it's actually really bad into Swarmy's 3++: <3 wounds on average on undegraded profile. Most of the stuff's wounding on 5s, and the few that aren't isn't enough to matter. Edit: Could of course buff it with daemonforge, which would hurt, but that's still not going to get there, and Swarmy will degrade it on average without defensive buffs (let alone voracious).

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bigpig said:

If its fully buffed up and a flawless host (especially with WL trait) it puts out so many dang attacks!!

OP specifically mentioned AL to buff it with hit negs. So its output is severely curtailed.

From memory it doesn't have a exploding Atk vs us but it has reroll hits and reroll wounds, I was really bashed in just by number of saves. Can you break it down?

[No One]

Yeah, no exploding attacks (which would be 5s native, 4s with prescience) hurts it. Can go daemonforge for reroll hits and wounds for 1 CP, but that only bumps it up to ~5 (undegraded, but it's degradation is very generous, only losing move and bonus attacks).

For unbuffed/daemonforge:
5 attacks at S6 off charge (though could probably still HI you for S8, which of course bumps things up a bit, that's not necessarily going to be something everyone will remember to do), only D2. 1/~1.8 (1.9/2.9 with charge/HI)
2 S4 attacks 0.2/0.4
5/4/3 S7 Dam D3 attacks 1.4/2.4
1 S8, Dam D3 0.4/0.6

2.9/5.2 (or 3.8/6.2)

[wormlord666]

Seems like if I get horror and/or mental onslought on him I should go in but otherwise mayby focus his buffing buddies first.
I belove I will face him trying to character protect lots of psykers and he will be joined by obliterators so I would like to push him back fast. Thanks for input.

[No One]

Horror's useless unless flawless, since he hits on 2s with an innate +1.

[hivefleetkerrigan]

We had a prior thread for beating the discordant last year. Here's the summary:

Shooting with hive guard (shock or otherwise)
Melee with buffed abberants
Melee with buffed acolytes
Spore mines to slow down the discordant
Lots of smite


thetyranidhive.proboards.com/thread/57259/strategies-beating-lord-discordant

Some new ideas from post blood of Baal:

Use Kronos and symbiostorm to get lots of shots down range (not sure the best target for symbiostorm against discordants)

Use old one eye in a custom hive fleet with prey sight. Unbuffed he can kill a discordant with crushing claws on a charge.

Lashwhip bonesword warriors with the ignore -1/-2 AP adaptation. Pop the -1 to damage strategem and they should be able to tank a lot of the discordants damage.

[zimko]

Behemoth Genestealers buffed with Unstoppable Hunger is quite effective. That +1 to wound is huge for genestealers since you get -4 AP on 5+.

[N.I.B.]

I miss Swarmlord forcing reroll on successful invo saves.

[No One]

hivefleetkerrigan said:

Use Kronos and symbiostorm to get lots of shots down range (not sure the best target for symbiostorm against discordants)

This is useless in the context of OP's post, since it's AL and thus you get no 6s.

[mule]

We don't have tools to fight everything. Take gsc, they have more +1's to hit, and a stratagem deny.

Discolords are mean, but wait til you see them in the 3x lord of skulls lists.

Its SOOO MUCH FUN

[hivefleetkerrigan]

Jan 28, 2020 23:29:50 GMT No One said:

hivefleetkerrigan said:

Use Kronos and symbiostorm to get lots of shots down range (not sure the best target for symbiostorm against discordants)

This is useless in the context of OP's post, since it's AL and thus you get no 6s.

Exocrine or warriors buffet with a prime and you'll still get 6s. Had to look up AL, though, thanks for pointing that out.

[No One]

Yes, but also there's other potential sources of negs that if you're going AL, you're probably going for, one of which is WLT. Then also potentially prayer and/or psychic. They can stack more negs than we get bonuses.