Fun policing rippers

[afewveiws]

So with the new jorm reroll spell i thought it would be funny to put spine maws on them and give them a shot at deepstrike screen killers or at least being a fun poke/distraction...

Then i saw that spine maws are only 6"rng...
Why did they waste the time, income, or even the ink required to put this gun in the game?

[xtztxtxz]

They're pistols, so can be fired while in combat. Each ripper stand effectively gets double attacks that way (although half at a lower strength).

[topaxygourouni]

Dec 21, 2019 13:53:33 GMT xtztxtxz said:

They're pistols, so can be fired while in combat. Each ripper stand effectively gets double attacks that way (although half at a lower strength).

The whole pistol idea is stupid. If they charge you, you need to take combat and morale before it's your shooting phase and you can use it. If you charge that's even worse, you now need to survey be two combat steps and you need your opponent not to fall back so that you can use your pistols.

How often does that actually happen?

[killercroc]

They're worse versions of spinefists for more points.

But they're unique! Isn't it fun?

[xtztxtxz]

Dec 21, 2019 14:38:48 GMT topaxygourouni said:

Dec 21, 2019 13:53:33 GMT xtztxtxz said:

They're pistols, so can be fired while in combat. Each ripper stand effectively gets double attacks that way (although half at a lower strength).

The whole pistol idea is stupid. If they charge you, you need to take combat and morale before it's your shooting phase and you can use it. If you charge that's even worse, you now need to survey be two combat steps and you need your opponent not to fall back so that you can use your pistols.

How often does that actually happen?

No idea, I was just answering the question in the OP.

[1b2a]

GW gunna GW herp derp

[dranzyl]

If i am not mistaken you propably wont get a chance to even overwatch with them if the opponent attempts a 7' charge.

[infornography]

Rippers are best when deployed basic with minimum sized units in deep strike.

Keep em simple and cheap and they are amazing. Otherwise you are just wasting points.
I'd rather take fleshhooks on warriors than spinemaws on rippers.

[afewveiws]

I find it hilarious that i make a post that descibes something, and describes why its a trash idea in the same post and the feed back i get is that pistols can be used in base to base and that rippers are best fielded basic...

I know these things my complaints are that the gun is so useless through out every conceivable application that i dont understand why its in the book at all. They gave us a weapon thats useless and will only hurt new players.
That seems like a terrible base understanding of very broad game mechanics.

[infornography]

Dec 25, 2019 22:30:52 GMT afewveiws said:

I find it hilarious that i make a post that descibes something, and describes why its a trash idea in the same post and the feed back i get is that pistols can be used in base to base and that rippers are best fielded basic...

I know these things my complaints are that the gun is so useless through out every conceivable application that i dont understand why its in the book at all. They gave us a weapon thats useless and will only hurt new players.
That seems like a terrible base understanding of very broad game mechanics.

That's fair. It should have a higher S and range. Probably S3 range 8 and maybe 1 point. Then it would actually have SOME utility. At S2, it is a complete waste of points. I would still take naked rippers because their opportunities to use the gun would be extremely limited, but at least the gun wouldn't just be a total waste.

Every codex has a few headscratchers in it though. Both Hellblasters and Intercessors have at least one gun option that I'm not sure why anyone would even pick and those are both really new kits. It is just weird that they decided to make 3 nearly identical guns to choose from and then go and make the clearly best one the one that they put on the ETB kits in the starter. I would rather have REAL variety, but at least I can field those units on the SUPER cheap.

[afewveiws]

6" max range on any gun makes it a trash choice. On a model with trash stats paying alot for a (please do not swear) pistol it should atleast be able to shoot 9". Even pyrovore know that.

[kazetanade]

Dec 26, 2019 0:25:30 GMT afewveiws said:

6" max range on any gun makes it a trash choice.

Harlequins with Fusion Pistols would like to have a word with you.

*ahem*

I think the early bid for "every part is represented" put a lot of people under stress to produce something quickly, so stuff came up really short in some places.

Intercessors have currently 2 viable choices no? A lot of IH and IF builds run Stalkers, as having 3 x 3 Elims and 1 x 5 Stalkers does kill most if not all infantry characters upfront.

The auto hit one isn't a joke either IMO but I haven't seen anyone run that.

[dranzyl]

No one runs that auto hit gun because it is bad or because the other option is awesome? Because those two are totaly different beasts.

[hivefleetkaiju]

Dec 25, 2019 22:30:52 GMT afewveiws said:

I find it hilarious that i make a post that descibes something, and describes why its a trash idea in the same post and the feed back i get is that pistols can be used in base to base and that rippers are best fielded basic...

I know these things my complaints are that the gun is so useless through out every conceivable application that i dont understand why its in the book at all. They gave us a weapon thats useless and will only hurt new players.
That seems like a terrible base understanding of very broad game mechanics.

GW advocated Power Level rather than point values at the very beginning of 8th Ed and in Power Level you can simply take all upgrade without raising the power level and that's why

[gigasnail]

They did, and it's still dumb.