Using Trygons as Mawlocs

[brianb9999]

Specifically in competitive/tournament settings, would it be appropriate to use a Trygon as a Mawloc? I was thinking about picking up an actual Mawloc to try out the dueling Mawloc strategy and thought maybe I could just run my Trygon as the second since the model is so similar. Just wondering if anyone has gotten away with it or had TO’s that wouldn’t allow something like that.

[1b2a]

Just ask on the tournament site if you want. Otherwise, just convert yours, magnetize the head. The head only is fine for a conversion.

[mattblowers]

No one knows the difference. Not even many tyranid players. You will be fine. I have 6. 2 are clearly mawlocs, 2 are clearly trygons, 2 have bits of both models. I have ran them as 6 mawlocs, 6 trygons, and as combos. If you are going to run them mixed you need to have a way to differentiate them. I have 2 in really unique poses so it's easy to differentiate. No on knows tyranid models or what they do, you'll be fine. I've run biovores as pyrovores and pyrovores as biovores (not the same game) just to have an inside joke with myself.

[mule]

Dec 20, 2019 15:54:57 GMT brianb9999 said:

Specifically in competitive/tournament settings, would it be appropriate to use a Trygon as a Mawloc? I was thinking about picking up an actual Mawloc to try out the dueling Mawloc strategy and thought maybe I could just run my Trygon as the second since the model is so similar. Just wondering if anyone has gotten away with it or had TO’s that wouldn’t allow something like that.

Just ask. Usually proxys aren't allowed but most people dont know our models trygon and mawloc look the same. But in the off chance they do and call you on it, if youve lied a TO would likely have you pull the model.

[mattblowers]

Dec 20, 2019 16:12:54 GMT mule said:

Dec 20, 2019 15:54:57 GMT brianb9999 said:

Specifically in competitive/tournament settings, would it be appropriate to use a Trygon as a Mawloc? I was thinking about picking up an actual Mawloc to try out the dueling Mawloc strategy and thought maybe I could just run my Trygon as the second since the model is so similar. Just wondering if anyone has gotten away with it or had TO’s that wouldn’t allow something like that.

Just ask. Usually proxys aren't allowed but most people dont know our models trygon and mawloc look the same. But in the off chance they do and call you on it, if youve lied a TO would likely have you pull the model.

Why would you lie? If you declare 3 mawlocs as 3 trygons and play it that way all game there will be zero issue. If you are playing models that are exactly the same, you might run into an issue if they aren't clearly differentiated. If you tried to play an acid spray as a rupture cannon or vice versa and you are trying to confuse your opponent, that is where dishonesty begins to trickle in. If I'm playing a GT or major and I think there will be any confusion at all I hand my opponent a paper with pictures and descriptions of my models. When I played 5+ flyrants in the last edition I did this as well so they knew which one was my warlord and which ones had which powers. I've never been accused of cheating and I always try to be crystal clear with all my opponents. Check with the TO prior if you think it might be an issue. If I'm playing a model that might have some discrepency, I'll bring along the more traditional model to swap out if they complain. IE I now play the old broodlords as genestealer sergeant, if they have a complaint about that I have a regular genestealer to swap out with. No one has ever asked me to and I always offer. I think competitive players get an undeserved reputation about this one.

[mule]

Dec 20, 2019 16:26:09 GMT mattblowers said:

Dec 20, 2019 16:12:54 GMT mule said:

Just ask. Usually proxys aren't allowed but most people dont know our models trygon and mawloc look the same. But in the off chance they do and call you on it, if youve lied a TO would likely have you pull the model.

Why would you lie? If you declare 3 mawlocs as 3 trygons and play it that way all game there will be zero issue. If you are playing models that are exactly the same, you might run into an issue if they aren't clearly differentiated. If you tried to play an acid spray as a rupture cannon or vice versa and you are trying to confuse your opponent, that is where dishonesty begins to trickle in. If I'm playing a GT or major and I think there will be any confusion at all I hand my opponent a paper with pictures and descriptions of my models. When I played 5+ flyrants in the last edition I did this as well so they knew which one was my warlord and which ones had which powers. I've never been accused of cheating and I always try to be crystal clear with all my opponents. Check with the TO prior if you think it might be an issue. If I'm playing a model that might have some discrepency, I'll bring along the more traditional model to swap out if they complain. IE I now play the old broodlords as genestealer sergeant, if they have a complaint about that I have a regular genestealer to swap out with. No one has ever asked me to and I always offer. I think competitive players get an undeserved reputation about this one.

I meant, tell them that one is a mawloc and the other is a trygon but youre proxying.

Check with a TO beforehand and send them pictures of the two models.

But dont just bring a mawloc and a trygon and not tell anyone before the game that its actually a different head and tail attachment.

[mattblowers]

Dec 20, 2019 16:34:53 GMT mule said:

Dec 20, 2019 16:26:09 GMT mattblowers said:

Why would you lie? If you declare 3 mawlocs as 3 trygons and play it that way all game there will be zero issue. If you are playing models that are exactly the same, you might run into an issue if they aren't clearly differentiated. If you tried to play an acid spray as a rupture cannon or vice versa and you are trying to confuse your opponent, that is where dishonesty begins to trickle in. If I'm playing a GT or major and I think there will be any confusion at all I hand my opponent a paper with pictures and descriptions of my models. When I played 5+ flyrants in the last edition I did this as well so they knew which one was my warlord and which ones had which powers. I've never been accused of cheating and I always try to be crystal clear with all my opponents. Check with the TO prior if you think it might be an issue. If I'm playing a model that might have some discrepency, I'll bring along the more traditional model to swap out if they complain. IE I now play the old broodlords as genestealer sergeant, if they have a complaint about that I have a regular genestealer to swap out with. No one has ever asked me to and I always offer. I think competitive players get an undeserved reputation about this one.

I meant, tell them that one is a mawloc and the other is a trygon but youre proxying.

Check with a TO beforehand and send them pictures of the two models.

But dont just bring a mawloc and a trygon and not tell anyone before the game that its actually a different head and tail attachment.

Agreed.

[brianb9999]

Dec 20, 2019 16:34:53 GMT mule said:

Check with a TO beforehand and send them pictures of the two models.

But dont just bring a mawloc and a trygon and not tell anyone before the game that its actually a different head and tail attachment.

Kinda figured this would be the consensus. I remember trying to pry the trygon head off at one point in order to magnetize it, maybe I’ll try that again just in case. I would much rather store only one more of those big boys...

[gigasnail]

Literally every time there has been a mawlock on the table, the model i used was actually a trygon. No one has ever known the difference or even asked. This is going back all the way to 5th.

[starprince]

The trick is to model them in an ambiguous way. Mine use the larger sything talon sets but include the open mouth pieces from the mawloc set, lash whips as tentacle tongues, and other bits here and there that make them neither quite trygon nor mawloc.

[gigasnail]

Yeah mine are straight up no conversion trygons.

[purestrain]

Yeah just tell them the rules differences, I own 2 Trygon and 2(unbroken) Mawlocks, Interchangeable because people are blind.

[bigpig]

Dec 20, 2019 16:09:02 GMT mattblowers said:

No one knows the difference. Not even many tyranid players. You will be fine. I have 6. 2 are clearly mawlocs, 2 are clearly trygons, 2 have bits of both models. I have ran them as 6 mawlocs, 6 trygons, and as combos. If you are going to run them mixed you need to have a way to differentiate them. I have 2 in really unique poses so it's easy to differentiate. No on knows tyranid models or what they do, you'll be fine. I've run biovores as pyrovores and pyrovores as biovores (not the same game) just to have an inside joke with myself.

This 100%..

It's like wondering if it is important to model adrenal glands on your models.

[mule]

Dec 23, 2019 10:30:33 GMT bigpig said:

Dec 20, 2019 16:09:02 GMT mattblowers said:

No one knows the difference. Not even many tyranid players. You will be fine. I have 6. 2 are clearly mawlocs, 2 are clearly trygons, 2 have bits of both models. I have ran them as 6 mawlocs, 6 trygons, and as combos. If you are going to run them mixed you need to have a way to differentiate them. I have 2 in really unique poses so it's easy to differentiate. No on knows tyranid models or what they do, you'll be fine. I've run biovores as pyrovores and pyrovores as biovores (not the same game) just to have an inside joke with myself.

This 100%..

It's like wondering if it is important to model adrenal glands on your models.

On my carnifex I tried magnetizing everything i could. Heads are magnetized backplates arms.

But toxin sacs and the tails ill never be able to do so i just ignore them. The big scything tails look the best but their rules are so dookie i just use bone mace. But yeah some things you just cant put on a model to by wysiwyg. Even flyrants only having 2 arms etc.

[bigpig]

Dec 23, 2019 21:50:54 GMT mule said:

Dec 23, 2019 10:30:33 GMT bigpig said:

This 100%..

It's like wondering if it is important to model adrenal glands on your models.

On my carnifex I tried magnetizing everything i could. Heads are magnetized backplates arms.

But toxin sacs and the tails ill never be able to do so i just ignore them. The big scything tails look the best but their rules are so dookie i just use bone mace. But yeah some things you just cant put on a model to by wysiwyg. Even flyrants only having 2 arms etc.

right, just tell your opponent to show you THEIR adrenal glands if the ask where they are on your model. Tell 'em its in the same place on your hormagaunt