Murderous Size interaction with Reaper of Obliterax?

[bolzor]

I was considering this concept at work today and, as far as I can tell, there isn't any reason that it would be prohibited.

Since Reaper of Obliterax only adds its special damage rule to whatever weapon is selected and the Murderous Size Adaptative Physiology buffs the stat line of a monster melee weapon I think you could be looking at a very potent weapon that would hand out seriously punishing amounts of damage.

[xtztxtxz]

Yeah I think you're right. Since Murderous Size works before the battle it changes the weapon to D4. When the ability is triggered that becomes D8.

What's more, this ability (and toxin sacs) stack with the Behemoth psychic power so both will be triggered on a wound roll of 5+. That can result in a total of 9 damage (10 if you take the Behemoth warlord trait too!)

[calbanite]

I still don't think it's worth it.

WS2 with only 4+1 attacks at S7. +1 to wound Behemoth spell is wounding Knights on 4's. 1 CP to reroll all failed wounds.

Obliterax doing double damage on 5's as well as toxin sacs.

Ehhhhhhh I'd rather use it on Swarmy honestly. IMO Behemoth Swarmlord is the dead 'ard killy-est bug in this galaxy now.

6 attacks hitting on 2's. Strength 9, AP4, 4 flat damage bone sabres.

Strat to let him cast +1 power so -> Advance, Cast Onslaught, Cast +1 to wound on himself, Cast Catalyst/Horror/Paroxysm depending on the need, Hive Commander, Charge with Behemoth reroll, get into combat

You know are wounding T8 on 2's with the MW's proccing on 5's. 1CP to reroll failed wounds let's him one shot a knight on average.

[syrcle]

Dec 4, 2019 22:36:48 GMT xtztxtxz said:

Yeah I think you're right. Since Murderous Size works before the battle it changes the weapon to D4. When the ability is triggered that becomes D8.

What's more, this ability (and toxin sacs) stack with the Behemoth psychic power so both will be triggered on a wound roll of 5+. That can result in a total of 9 damage (10 if you take the Behemoth warlord trait too!)

Warlord trait! Forbidden words!

[xtztxtxz]

Dec 4, 2019 22:44:16 GMT calbanite said:

Ehhhhhhh I'd rather use it on Swarmy honestly. IMO Behemoth Swarmlord is the dead 'ard killy-est bug in this galaxy now.

Honestly, in a Behemoth list I'd just take both. Two Murderous Size monsters is possible, adds redundancy, and having a flyrant around opens up several other options (such as shooting something to trigger Hunter’s Drive).

[bolzor]

Dec 4, 2019 23:11:46 GMT xtztxtxz said:

Dec 4, 2019 22:44:16 GMT calbanite said:

Ehhhhhhh I'd rather use it on Swarmy honestly. IMO Behemoth Swarmlord is the dead 'ard killy-est bug in this galaxy now.

Honestly, in a Behemoth list I'd just take both. Two Murderous Size monsters is possible, adds redundancy, and having a flyrant around opens up several other options (such as shooting something to trigger Hunter’s Drive).

Holy cow, I didn't even think of that but its true.  You could totally have both running around and wrecking face.

For 1 CP you could even put Scythes of Tyran in the mix and have two hard hitting Flyrants and a Swarmy dropping a hammer on big targets.  Yikes.

[mule]

Its just unfortunate that you can rip them off the board easy.

I think we gotta deepstrike stuff and hit hard on 3 while clogging the map with biovores and trying to reduce damage from turn 1-2

[purestrain]

Dec 4, 2019 23:11:46 GMT xtztxtxz said:

Dec 4, 2019 22:44:16 GMT calbanite said:

Ehhhhhhh I'd rather use it on Swarmy honestly. IMO Behemoth Swarmlord is the dead 'ard killy-est bug in this galaxy now.

Honestly, in a Behemoth list I'd just take both. Two Murderous Size monsters is possible, adds redundancy, and having a flyrant around opens up several other options (such as shooting something to trigger Hunter’s Drive).

swarmy and OOE. Exploding 4s for extra attacks at str 8 ap-4 4d that reroll ones is a toss up to the damage because mws are harder to save but each other wound is 4 dmg.

[No One]

calbanite said:

Strat to let him cast +1 power so -> Advance, Cast Onslaught, Cast +1 to wound on himself, Cast Catalyst/Horror/Paroxysm depending on the need, Hive Commander, Charge with Behemoth reroll, get into combat

Well, he still only knows 2, so unless you want to spend another CP on the 'know every power' strat...just take the relic on someone else to also give +1 to cast on those powers you really want to cast.

[kazetanade]

Dec 4, 2019 22:36:48 GMT xtztxtxz said:

Yeah I think you're right. Since Murderous Size works before the battle it changes the weapon to D4. When the ability is triggered that becomes D8.

What's more, this ability (and toxin sacs) stack with the Behemoth psychic power so both will be triggered on a wound roll of 5+. That can result in a total of 9 damage (10 if you take the Behemoth warlord trait too!)

Only for S modifications, do you Add before Multiply. 

For every other example in the game, it's Multiply before Adding. There are no mentions of "changing characteristics before the game therefore it gets added before multiplied". 

[purestrain]

Dec 5, 2019 19:03:07 GMT kazetanade said:

Dec 4, 2019 22:36:48 GMT xtztxtxz said:

Yeah I think you're right. Since Murderous Size works before the battle it changes the weapon to D4. When the ability is triggered that becomes D8.

What's more, this ability (and toxin sacs) stack with the Behemoth psychic power so both will be triggered on a wound roll of 5+. That can result in a total of 9 damage (10 if you take the Behemoth warlord trait too!)

Only for S modifications, do you Add before Multiply. 

For every other example in the game, it's Multiply before Adding. There are no mentions of "changing characteristics before the game therefore it gets added before multiplied". 

You multiply then add. As they use BEDMAS as their base system of things they judge to warrant the use of logic

[kurtangle2]

Always multiply then add. Characteristic modifiers come first then you check weapon modifiers