Kronos & Symbiostorm

[teafloy]

I saw this bouncing around Facebook groups and wondered if it was true

Symbiostorm says
Has a warped charge value of 6. If manifested select one friendly Kronos unit within 12 inches of this psyker. until the end of the turn when resolving and attack made with a ranged weapon by a model in that unit, a hit roll of 6+ scores one additional hit

Do units that get +1 to hit rolls (Exocrine & tyranid prime on warriors), score this extra hit on a 5+?

[1b2a]

Dec 2, 2019 19:22:01 GMT teafloy said:

I saw this bouncing around Facebook groups and wondered if it was true

Symbiostorm says
Has a warped charge value of 6. If manifested select one friendly Kronos unit within 12 inches of this psyker. until the end of the turn when resolving and attack made with a ranged weapon by a model in that unit, a hit roll of 6+ scores one additional hit

Do units that get +1 to hit rolls (Exocrine & tyranid prime on warriors), score this extra hit on a 5+?

If that is the wording, then yes. In cases where the +1 does not count it specifically says "unmodified 6", such as the bladed cog exploding 6s strat for gsc

For warriors hitting on 3s that is HUGE. that's like hitting their 27 deathspitter shots on 1+ lol

[killercroc]

Yeah, anything with a +1 to hit will get the extra hits on a 5+ instead (Also could be good on warriors with double tap and a prime) flip side is also negatives to hit reduce it as well.

[teafloy]

Refilling 1s and scoring an extra hit on 5+, that’s a tasty meatball!

[acehilator]

Yes, Symbiostorm + Exos is a winning combination. To quote myself from another thread:

4.67 additional hits from 9.34 base hits, 50% more. 14 hits total out of 12 shots (lolz), 9.33 wounds vs MEQ, 7.78 dead Primaris. Sadly, it still cannot reliably delete T7 vehicles (but almost guaranteed with Pathogenic Slime).

With 2 CP for Pathogenic Slime that's some brutal shooting vs T7 and lower (on a single model of your army, so Sodium levels for being the NPC faction are still high).

You still need another solution for T8 targets... it's not that a unit of six HG will not profit from the Kronos spell, no sir 

[topaxygourouni]

I keep going back and forth to the rupturefex. Not that I think it's great, but because for some reason I don't dig the acid spray any more. I grow less fond of d3 damage weapons. Rupture cannon now is cheap enough to consider (the whole monster ends up at 197 pts) and the only problem is the stupid 4+ BS. In a custom fleet with reroll 1 hit roll and restoring 1 wound per turn perhaps?

[mule]

Dec 2, 2019 20:01:44 GMT acehilator said:

Yes, Symbiostorm + Exos is a winning combination. To quote myself from another thread:

4.67 additional hits from 9.34 base hits, 50% more. 14 hits total out of 12 shots (lolz), 9.33 wounds vs MEQ, 7.78 dead Primaris. Sadly, it still cannot reliably delete T7 vehicles (but almost guaranteed with Pathogenic Slime).

With 2 CP for Pathogenic Slime that's some brutal shooting vs T7 and lower (on a single model of your army, so Sodium levels for being the NPC faction are still high).

You still need another solution for T8 targets... it's not that a unit of six HG will not profit from the Kronos spell, no sir 

The issue with the hiveguard isnt their shooting but the range. They wont put their tanks in range.

[killercroc]

Depends on the Guard. Impalers went down 5 pts so they're more affordable and 36" is still pretty good and should be able to reach out and touch most the board, the only thing that might stop that is trying to hide them behind terrain if there isn't any good LoS blocking across the mid-field as there should be.

[mule]

Dec 2, 2019 20:34:26 GMT killercroc said:

Depends on the Guard. Impalers went down 5 pts so they're more affordable and 36" is still pretty good and should be able to reach out and touch most the board, the only thing that might stop that is trying to hide them behind terrain if there isn't any good LoS blocking across the mid-field as there should be.

Long range tanks will get deployed out of range.

Its fine though cause hiveguard are also good at clearing elites also.

[acehilator]

I am perfectly fine with Repulsor Executioners sitting at more than 36" and only shooting their main gun (which is not that amazing tbh, even with all the rerolls). The main secondary is only 30".

Just kill everything else then.

[killercroc]

It really depends on the table set up then, some tables they cannot get out of range. Really at that point it depends on the tank, those with 48" will but themselves out of range but is they're the 60-72" tanks then you can't hide no matter what so just deploy at the line and try to do as much damage as possible? Or like you said, just go elites hunting instead. Can put a lot of damage on Primaris units.

[acehilator]

Exo is our best anti-Primaris by a wide margin. Also Oblits (they will make a return), Termies and T7 Demon Engines. Needs Pathogenic Slime, but those 2CP pretty much guarantee a kill per turn for a single Exo on T7 vehicles. Quad Las Relic Contemptor Mortis would be our arch-enemy, but thankfully nobody plays those even though they are OP as all hell.

[Kitane]

To add to the original bonuses, barbed stranglers on warriors get another +1 against large squads, allowing a squad of warriors and a prime to really thin down hordes. I think it was something like 30 S5 -1 hits from 6 deathspitters and 3 stranglers, 34-35 without moving. And two extra from the Prime.

Just one of many ways to kill hordes in our arsenal.