Triple RuptureFex vs Executioner

[kazetanade]

The warlord, which is the Patty. No one else in that combo is eligible for it...

[hivefleetkerrigan]

Oct 21, 2019 23:24:20 GMT kazetanade said:

The warlord, which is the Patty. No one else in that combo is eligible for it...

I thought I could give the trait to someone else using broodcoven. I'd been plopping it on my primus and treating the primus for the 6" aura. Rereading the actual text, I wasn't sure how it would work on a primus with broodcoven.

[No One]

While you can do that, you need them to be BC, which in kaz's list they aren't I'm pretty sure. (BC magus is also pretty common)

[No One]

killercroc said:

Saw Acolytes is another option however though I'm sure it has been discussed? 20 Acolytes is 16 saw attacks, 11 hits, 5-6 wounds so 10-12 damage, leaving 24 claws, 16 hits, 2-3 wounds so 2-3 damage followed by 12 knives, 8 hits, 1 wound which they will most likely save. Grand total an average of 12-15 damage which is just not enough so these will have to be buffed by the banner, Primus or the +1S/A power, either of those 3 should guarantee a kill.

The issue with this is getting to combat with a repulsor, and has nothing to do with killing it (or at least now that Ironestone/IF have been nerfed). -2 to charge and brutal overwatch (4+ with IH strat. And they have a 4+ deny strat...) makes it very difficult. Even just 5+ (or probably even 6+) with CM and you're losing a fair chunk of the squad.

[killercroc]

Yeah good point with that super amazing -2 to be charge that they totally didn't need... even with 4AE and Clam that'll negate the -2 so you still need PA and hope for a good roll to make it in. I guess I was looking at it as, Acolytes are the cheapest way we have to take them out (not $ wise these things are more expensive than a stripper with an ego) because 20x- 8x saw, 1x Icon is 230 points, and they can just about always pop a repulser so... it's a lot cheaper than Shock guard or Laser guard.

Really the best bet is kill them with shooting, which Nids don't do well...

Screw it, Ally GSC to Ally Guard to take a shadowsword with quad sponsons and pump them full of those volcano cannon and Lascannon rounds, Shadow is only 560 so it's less than 2 of them. It'll be less effective since they're not titanic but that's 6 shots, 3 hits, 3 wounds, burning through it's T and Sv doing an average of 21 wounds, 4 Lascannons into another is 2 hits, say 2 wounds both fail so 7 damage, then the 30 (lol yes 30 HB shots) 15 hits, 5 wounds another 2-3 wounds from that. You kill one and do 9-10 wounds on another meaning you can kill 3 in two turns for about 5/8ths the cost in points and only $140

I solved it everyone, Gene cult hijacked Shadowswords for days!!!

[No One]

Except just their main gun does ~11 wounds with CM+lieutenant. Add on another 3-5 wounds with their secondary guns (depending on range band) and it's just an alpha strike off, and the executioners do better going 2nd.

[killercroc]

Oct 22, 2019 3:24:58 GMT No One said:

Except just their main gun does ~11 wounds with CM+lieutenant. Add on another 3-5 wounds with their secondary guns (depending on range band) and it's just an alpha strike off, and the executioners do better going 2nd.

Bit confused here, are you saying this is how much damage they'll do to the Shadow?

[No One]

One tank, yeah

[kazetanade]

Basically 3 Execs will total the 1 shadowsword before it gets to shoot.

[No One]

3 executioners will pretty much total it even if it gets to shoot (rest of army notwithstanding).

[killercroc]

They'll total anything before it gets to shoot so something isn't bad if it dies when your opponent gets first turn, you go first it'll still wreck 1.5 of them and cost wise you still have 345 points to work with to tie the cost of the 3 Exe. 234 points for 3x3 Lascannon brotherhood teams. They'll do 4-5 hits, 3 wounds and even if one is saved that's average 7 wounds, so since the Shadow did 9 wounds to one those 7 more wounds would kill the second one so that's 2 dead T1 with 111 points left over. Pluss you could take a commander, so you can give them re-rolls to hit or wound of 1 but I didn't want to factor that.

Like you mathed before one will do around 14-16 wounds so one won't be enough to kill Shadow outright so if you go first you'll have the advantage. Lets be fair is that any different to anything? Player that gets T1 has the biggest advantage in the game so it's always a Die roll to who will kill who. The alternatives are only safe cause T1 they're off the board but so far all options I've seen are very expensive and very much depend on your opponents placing, making sure you can get the models on the ground and all that. Shadowsword alternative is cheapest and least tactically unsure.

[mule]

Oct 22, 2019 14:29:03 GMT killercroc said:

They'll total anything before it gets to shoot so something isn't bad if it dies when your opponent gets first turn, you go first it'll still wreck 1.5 of them and cost wise you still have 345 points to work with to tie the cost of the 3 Exe. 234 points for 3x3 Lascannon brotherhood teams. They'll do 4-5 hits, 3 wounds and even if one is saved that's average 7 wounds, so since the Shadow did 9 wounds to one those 7 more wounds would kill the second one so that's 2 dead T1 with 111 points left over. Pluss you could take a commander, so you can give them re-rolls to hit or wound of 1 but I didn't want to factor that.

Like you mathed before one will do around 14-16 wounds so one won't be enough to kill Shadow outright so if you go first you'll have the advantage. Lets be fair is that any different to anything? Player that gets T1 has the biggest advantage in the game so it's always a Die roll to who will kill who. The alternatives are only safe cause T1 they're off the board but so far all options I've seen are very expensive and very much depend on your opponents placing, making sure you can get the models on the ground and all that. Shadowsword alternative is cheapest and least tactically unsure.

How're you supposed to deal 7 more wounds? And arent we 2 cp short because we're now making a brood brothers detachment which is 1/2 cp.

[killercroc]

I said take 3 units of 3 Lascannon Brotherhood support teams. 9 shots, 4-5 hits, 3 wounds, 1 save, 7 average damage. I didn't factor in any CP, this is all raw damage, no character auras, no re-rolls, no strats, nada. All pure firepower and the law of averages.

[mule]

Oct 22, 2019 15:50:20 GMT killercroc said:

I said take 3 units of 3 Lascannon Brotherhood support teams. 9 shots, 4-5 hits, 3 wounds, 1 save, 7 average damage. I didn't factor in any CP, this is all raw damage, no character auras, no re-rolls, no strats, nada. All pure firepower and the law of averages.

Ah sorry brain dead today thought that was to fill out a detachment.

[killercroc]

No, just an example of what one could do with the rest of their points. Personally depending on the detachment you choose the half CP isn't a huge deal. If you're bringing one of the 1 CP ones to take a load of tanks or sentinels or whatever really that 1 CP isn't a gigantic deal breaker compared to half a Brigade.