September FAQ up

[terminatoruk]

Sept 29, 2019 6:19:55 GMT wormlord666 said:

Sept 28, 2019 16:43:26 GMT Iryan said:

Onslaught not allowing you to make use of the double tap makes sense, and I never thought that it would. However...

Allow me to quote the wording of Onslaught:

"That unit can shoot this turn (even if it Advanced) without suffering any penalties to its hit rolls for moving and shooting Heavy weapons, or Advancing and shooting Assault weapons."

The rule literally and explicitly says that the unit can shoot even if it advanced. Assault weapons can already do that, so it must refer to other weapon types. In the Tyranids ranged arsenal, ~90% of weapons are Assault, a single one is Pistol, the remaining ones are Heavy. There is no clause specifically excluding Heavy weapons either. So the only possible interpretation is that this power allows the affected unit to shoot its Heavy weapons after advancing.

The only other possible way to read the first sentence I can possibly think of would be that Onslaught allows the target unit to ignore the to-hit penalty of Heavy Weapons, and, in the event that some other ability allows the unit to shoot its heavy weapon after advancing, even in those cases the to-hit penalty is ignored. But I cannot currently think of another tyranid power or ability that would allow a model to shoot its Heavy weapon after advancing. So that would make the rule bit in parentheses obsolete.

The "FAQ" does not clarify how the rule works, it literally contradicts it...

I sent an e-mail to the feedback address asking what is up with this contradiction. I do not expect to get a response, but we will see.

Well then, I may have interpreted it wrong all along, but now that interpretation is right.

I can see where the confusion comes in - they should have separated it into 2 sentences.  For me, the highlighted words towards the end of the line made it quite clear:

"That unit can shoot this turn (even if it Advanced) without suffering any penalties to its hit rolls for moving and shooting Heavy weapons, or Advancing and shooting Assault weapons."

- Moving and shooting Heavy Weapons
- Advancing and shooting Assault Weapons

...it doesn't mention "You can fire Heavy weapons even if you advanced" - it simply states you don't suffer any negative to hit penalties for those weapons within the space of their usual rules.

[gigasnail]

Sept 30, 2019 15:50:28 GMT 1b2a said:

Sept 28, 2019 1:32:52 GMT LordPathos said:

Do you honestly think that the few of us on these forums debating how rules work is enough of a blip on GW's radar, to make them clarify rules? Whether or not they are good or bad for us? And, for that matter, NOT having the rules clarified is good for the game?

That's silly. You're silly.

Umm yeah, because this site has the longest debates on the rules and then they message GW all the time for help. Meanwhile everyone I play against or have as TO shrug and say "it's cool".

Yeah, because they are so responsive and take anything we say into consideration.

[LordPathos]

Sept 30, 2019 15:50:28 GMT 1b2a said:

Sept 28, 2019 1:32:52 GMT LordPathos said:

Do you honestly think that the few of us on these forums debating how rules work is enough of a blip on GW's radar, to make them clarify rules? Whether or not they are good or bad for us? And, for that matter, NOT having the rules clarified is good for the game?

That's silly. You're silly.

Umm yeah, because this site has the longest debates on the rules and then they message GW all the time for help. Meanwhile everyone I play against or have as TO shrug and say "it's cool".

So we complain and debate and GW makes changes for good or worse. That's what Im hearing from you.

Okay.

I think our monsters from 7th and scything talons since index have some words they would like to share. Probably of the "why are we still bad" variety.

[mattblowers]

Sept 30, 2019 18:05:25 GMT LordPathos said:

I think our monsters from 7th and scything talons since index have some words they would like to share. Probably of the "why are we still bad" variety.

Our monsters are so bad. So, so bad. I would be willing to bet that most Tyranid players got into bugs specifically because they loved the big baddies. It crushes my soul that they are so unplayable. At least mawloc spam had play in 7th. It was a really fun list to play. What am I supposed to do with 6 mawlocs?! I guess I could run 3 of them as trygons. Ugh.

[Hive Bahamut]

We did a Militarum vs. Nids Narrative mission a few months ago that basically summed up Monsters in 40k. I had roughly 10% more units (using power) and it was an attack then defend mission. I used a mix of monsters, mids and horde. I attacked first.

Shuffled everything up, did a little chip damage between 2 Exo and a Rupture fex. Militarum went and removed all 4 monsters first shooting phase.

Did the reverse and kept me with 10% more. Same outlook. Turn 2 would have been tabled.

Monsters are a waste of time suffer from the rule of cool. Look great, no need to be functional.



FAQ: clarifies that "They Came From Below" can't be used T1 (too powerful) and removed the T3+ ability, yet leaves Drop pods their broken T1 deepstrike. This basically sums up GW's attitude towards anything non Imperium.

My prediction: Aeldari Tau and Imperium elves/dwarves/humans *yawn*.. So much for everything being useful and diverse.

Speaking of diverse they haven't released a Primaris Lt. For like 2 weeks. What's up with that?

[killercroc]

Sept 30, 2019 20:03:18 GMT mattblowers said:

Sept 30, 2019 18:05:25 GMT LordPathos said:

I think our monsters from 7th and scything talons since index have some words they would like to share. Probably of the "why are we still bad" variety.

Our monsters are so bad. So, so bad. I would be willing to bet that most Tyranid players got into bugs specifically because they loved the big baddies. It crushes my soul that they are so unplayable. At least mawloc spam had play in 7th. It was a really fun list to play. What am I supposed to do with 6 mawlocs?! I guess I could run 3 of them as trygons. Ugh.

Luckily our Carnifexes aren't the worst out there (though with the marine drop to 60 points for BS/WS 3+ makes them close) so I for one am glad for that. Always bring a few Fex with me, other than that... yeah most our big bugs are a stinky dog turd on a hot day.

You heard him lads, GW does what we say so every thread from this point out has to be talking about making MCs better.

[gorsameth]

Sept 30, 2019 21:33:13 GMT killercroc said:

Sept 30, 2019 20:03:18 GMT mattblowers said:

Our monsters are so bad. So, so bad. I would be willing to bet that most Tyranid players got into bugs specifically because they loved the big baddies. It crushes my soul that they are so unplayable. At least mawloc spam had play in 7th. It was a really fun list to play. What am I supposed to do with 6 mawlocs?! I guess I could run 3 of them as trygons. Ugh.

Luckily our Carnifexes aren't the worst out there (though with the marine drop to 60 points for BS/WS 3+ makes them close) so I for one am glad for that. Always bring a few Fex with me, other than that... yeah most our big bugs are a stinky dog turd on a hot day.

You heard him lads, GW does what we say so every thread from this point out has to be talking about making MCs better.

I would gladly give up Carnifexes in exchange for Invictus warsuits as Tyranids. 
"You know, close quarters monsters have a problem with crossing the table, I know, lets allow it to start within charge range of the opponent on T1".

[killercroc]

After seeing the rules from that thing... Really GW? Fast, good save, wounds, shooty, fighty, not expensive??? What the hell man, give that to us! Not them power armor wearing froo froos with daddy issues!

[calbanite]

Sept 30, 2019 22:25:09 GMT killercroc said:

After seeing the rules from that thing... Really GW? Fast, good save, wounds, shooty, fighty, not expensive??? What the hell man, give that to us! Not them power armor wearing froo froos with daddy issues!

They won't.

Nids had their fun in the sun for a couple of months with Flyrants, Neurothropes, Biovores, and things.

That's all we get >.>

It's a bit off topic, but stuff like that is why I refuse to by anything directly from them. Only second hand models and those from across the pond.