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Post by Davor on Nov 25, 2018 14:45:23 GMT
Also in my view the lore of GSCs doesn’t really fit named characters - with everyone getting devoured once the hive fleet arrives your heroes are all dying. Some may escape off planet but it would seem clunky to join a developed cult elsewhere. First off, I am not saying you are wrong. I am not saying I am correct either, I just like to give my opinion on what you said here about named characters. Why is that? It fits perfectly. After all it's in a lot of religions we have now. I can't speak of any of them since I don't know much about them but at least with Christian religion I know a little about. (not saying this is true or not) In it humans get to be with their lord, it would be during the Parousia. Depending how people use that word, that could be "the second coming" or being taken while "the just" are left behind or some other translation. What I am saying the Genestealer Cult is just like religions of today in our world right now. Just like humans who get "left behind" from the Parousia and need to fight in the "end times" or Armageddon or what ever people like to call it, many people will go missing. So have these people been "absorbed"? Have they been transported away to heaven? If so that would mean they are not alive anymore but are so happy to be with their lord. After all isn't that what being devoured/absorbed to a genelstealer is all about? Being with their Star Gods? So until this happens Genestealers should have named characters. After all them being devoured hasn't happened yet. Just like why should any Space Marine or Eldar, Ork what ever have named characters as well? They will die. They will be devoured or absorbed when they turn to dust. So what is the difference between dying for humans fighting a war for their god/emperor and genestealer cults dying for their Star Gods? I am sure many Genestealer Cults would be horrified to find out what the Star Gods are really are. I am sure many Genestealer Cults can't wait to be devoured and absorbed into the consciousness of their gods. What a great story, of Genestealer Cults fighting their gods. To realize what they did was wrong all this time, or fighting to keeping their individual will. For that we would need named characters. Lastly, while not for me because I have a different version of what Tyranids are, for most people I believe, Tyranids are the ones who shouldn't have named characters. Old One Eye is a good exception, but as you see no Nid broods have leader names, so hence they don't have character. Genestealer Cults are not Tyranids. They are human (or eldar, Ork, Tau etc) and hence so, are part humans and part nid and so should have named characters in my opinion. Or are all Genestealer Cutls just miners plain and simple? [/quote] |
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Post by No One on Nov 25, 2018 15:23:39 GMT
No One, sniper squads tend to all suck, but the only sniper named character I can think of is Illic Nightspear, and he is actually damn good. BS2+ Range 48" S4 AP-3 D:3, always Wounds on a 2+ unless against vehicles, and retains the can target characters rules. The only reason you don't see him all the time is his best targets were Commissars and the like, and they dissappeared from the meta. So there is precedent for a named character sniper to be pretty good. Sergeant Tellion? Also technically the new Kroot in Blackstone  . Ultimately, you need to have good output with a single character (named or otherwise), and I don't see a GSC 'guardsmen' having BS2+, which is sort of necessary for what's almost certainly a single shot weapon. Let alone something like Illic's statline. *Shrug* After all isn't that what being devoured/absorbed to a genelstealer is all about? Being with their Star Gods? So until this happens Genestealers should have named characters. After all them being devoured hasn't happened yet. Just like why should any Space Marine or Eldar, Ork what ever have named characters as well? They will die. They will be devoured or absorbed when they turn to dust. So what is the difference between dying for humans fighting a war for their god/emperor and genestealer cults dying for their Star Gods? Basically (actually?) all named characters are such because they've done their awesome stuff. They've done their great deeds, survived and become heroes (or whatever) for their faction. All named characters are still alive and kicking, or at least were for a while  . GSC? Well, if they won, then they got nommed. I think it says something that the most stand out (at least to me, though there wasn't much competition) named guy in the 7th ed codex was the magus who martyred himself to protect his patriarch. Something like a campaign supplement (i.e. Vigilus), likely characters, since that's 'as it happens' stuff. After? Possible, but less likely. Also, they'd need to make them whole cloth, narrative and all, which...I'm not sure if they're putting that much effort into GSC yet . |
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Post by onewiththehive on Nov 25, 2018 16:34:42 GMT
GSC and named characters absolutely makes sense. GSC is just some kind of fanatic religion and every religion has its leaders... charismatic people who can encourage others to join the cult or to do incredible things for their gods. or people who did these things themselves and get known for the by other cultists. u can't compare them to space marine, who have hundreds or thousands of years to build up a legend about themselves. those cult "heroes" only have a few years or decades to build it. And among theirselves these individuals are heroes with special abilitys and special meaning to ohters in that cult. Just compare them to astra militarum characters who also get known for things they did in their military career over decades). sure if they win the fight, they don't get devoured, but a cultists live isn't just one war and all is done. It's a life of years and decades in the name of the gods and lots of actions/fights/sabotages/infiltrations done (and survived) by them, that encourage other cultists. These cultist all hail the same gods but they still are individuals with their own mind, not like the tyranids that are controlled by only one mind. In the end, if the cult is succesfull, it gets devoured, but that doesnt mean, that they never had special individuals in the past decades till then. Even the astra militarum characters are not immortal. lots of them should have passed aways cause of their age long ago. Some of them might be hundredsof years old, based on the ongoing storyline. Thats an age for a space marine, but not for a normal human. And you can still get the models and play them.
another option for named characters would be some kind of title. like the pope for the christians. if one dies, another one is elected among the highest ranks(cardinals). He picks a new name and is known as that pope from that on and replaces the old one. in the game it would mean, that you get some aura abilities or something similar like the SM chapter masters, just on a much lower scale due to their short lifes compared to Space marines.
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Post by c4790m on Nov 25, 2018 17:39:51 GMT
“Some kind of title”
You mean like “Magus” or “Primus”?
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Post by Davor on Nov 25, 2018 17:41:27 GMT
Basically (actually?) all named characters are such because they've done their awesome stuff. They've done their great deeds, survived and become heroes (or whatever) for their faction. All named characters are still alive and kicking, or at least were for a while . GSC? Well, if they won, then they got nommed. So Genestealer Cults only fight once? Do Space Marines only fight once? Do Imperial Guardsmen only fight once? Heck does anyone fight only once? There are numerous battles Genestaler Cults fight, not just the big one. You can say Kill Teams are where the "small" battles take place to keep word getting out and make sure everything is quiet. You can even have big battles, say Genestealer Cult vs Imperial Guard, and if the Genestealer Cult wins, they just send out a signal that "everything is ok" and nobody will be none the wiser a big battle took place. Just because Genestealer Cults win one battle, it doesn't mean it's the end. Nids are a still long way off. Remember they have no warp power or faster than light travel, so it will still be years if not centuries, mellenia before the Nids come calling. I don't understand this, if Genestealer Cults are fighting the end is nigh. It's not, just a part of everyday life like people in the imperium. Battles are fought, after the battle/war people go on with their lives until the next battle/war. No different from what humans do in the imperium. Unless you are a psyker and then the Black Ship comes calling instead of the Star God. |
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Post by FTGT-BeeCee on Nov 25, 2018 18:17:57 GMT
Genestealer cults survive for generations before they are either snuffed out or summon the hive fleets and are devoured. I think named characters could definitely have a place. I do see the appeal of the army not having any at all though.
I could see Creedstealer (the dude looking at the hologram battle plans) and the sniper gal being named characters. I honestly hope they aren't so I can use them in any list without being tied to a particular cult (if they are).
Super stoked for this and GSC currently can bridge guard and Tyranids too so I think there are some amazing possibilities. plus for the love of god, we have GSC motorcross bikes and quads. hopefully they have some suicide element there too where you can blow them up for lots of damage.
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Post by dan3dim on Nov 25, 2018 18:49:08 GMT
plus for the love of god, we have GSC motorcross bikes and quads. hopefully they have some suicide element there too where you can blow them up for lots of damage. Allow to crashed into units! Fastest Sporemine ever. |
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Post by Hive Bahamut on Nov 25, 2018 19:24:17 GMT
To all those non-believers.. To all those neighsayers. OUR FAITH has been rewarded. Wish in one hand and $#!t in another and see what fills up first. GW has rewarded those who serve blind. Hive Bahamut, the demo-dirt bikes were from a wishlist I posted awhile ago. They aren't an actual rumour haha. If we believe hard enough maybe it will be? Orkz believe red is fasta and blue is lucky. I believe Dirtbike Acolytes would make me have to wear my white pants. |
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Post by dan3dim on Nov 25, 2018 19:31:19 GMT
 I was wonder what happen to this lord creed? Had Genestealers save him and gave him a kisses so his scars had cured?  |
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Post by gigasnail on Nov 25, 2018 19:52:40 GMT
Looks like the BEETUS has set in.
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Post by Hive Bahamut on Nov 25, 2018 20:20:17 GMT
Dear GW: I know I've been a whiny little Git about the GSC index, to the point where I have had to prepare others for my salt..
In saying that. Do you accept bodily fluids as payment? Preferably blood? Maybe a little Geneseed? How do you prefer the soul sent? In a hexed manuscript? Help me out here..
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Post by sarcron on Nov 25, 2018 22:07:45 GMT
I'm guessing that even genestealer cults will have sub-factions. E.g. the different hive fleets, the different chapters, the bonuses gained from them, so on so forth.
So, genestealer cults from different worlds then? Particular worlds that have specific cults?
What are everyone else's ideas?
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Post by jesses on Nov 25, 2018 23:48:25 GMT
I'm guessing that even genestealer cults will have sub-factions. E.g. the different hive fleets, the different chapters, the bonuses gained from them, so on so forth. So, genestealer cults from different worlds then? Particular worlds that have specific cults? What are everyone else's ideas? IF we get different Cults, which I'm still not willing to put money on, my guess is it will go one of two ways: 1.) 7 Cults, each themed after the different Hive Fleets. 2.) They will be the 6-7 named Cults from 7th ed Codex fluff. Cult of the Bladed Cog, Pauper Princes, Cult of the Four-Armed Emperor, Ghosar Quintus, etc. There was a list of them in the 7e book with their different heraldry and colours. I don't see why GW would spend the time making new ones instead of just fleshing those out. |
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Post by broyston on Nov 25, 2018 23:49:41 GMT
The 7th Edition Cult codex had several named cults, like the pauper princes, cult of the four armed emperor, bladed cog, rusted claw etc. I imagine they will just pick 5 or 6 of those and give them faction rules. So Bladed Cog are Mechanicus based, so maybe a bonus to vehicles for example.
Edit: Ninja'd by Jesses....
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Post by kazetanade on Nov 26, 2018 1:06:05 GMT
Here's to hoping my bladed cog is alive and kicking! Although Pauper Princes are taking centre stage in Vigilus, and I think it's an offshoot of the original PP... Ref named characters, No One the bladed cog have a named Magus, if you consider hushed whispers and cover-up aliases a name. BC is also an example of a Cult that WON, but isn't devoured yet. Long way off. |
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. Ultimately, you need to have good output with a single character (named or otherwise), and I don't see a GSC 'guardsmen' having BS2+, which is sort of necessary for what's almost certainly a single shot weapon. Let alone something like Illic's statline. *Shrug*
. GSC? Well, if they won, then they got nommed. I think it says something that the most stand out (at least to me, though there wasn't much competition) named guy in the 7th ed codex was the magus who martyred himself to protect his patriarch. Something like a campaign supplement (i.e. Vigilus), likely characters, since that's 'as it happens' stuff. After? Possible, but less likely. Also, they'd need to make them whole cloth, narrative and all, which...I'm not sure if they're putting that much effort into GSC yet 
