When did Orkz become Trolls?

[Hive Bahamut]

So we have all been hearing Orktober. At first I was excited as they needed a huge revamp in the old as dirt kits. Then we started watching the days go by. Regular unadvertised runs of codexes had more previews spanning weeks in a month than Orkz have. Nevermind the repeated rules and pics of the same buggies again and again.

1. Guessing that prerelease goes up the 27th means it's actually not Orktober at all. Just a hype train that has no bearings, that they had to squeeze in because Orkvember just didn't fly. (Ba-doom-chh)

2. Does anyone remember No Man's Sky? Or the Boy that cried wolf? What happens when consumers are lied too? First: "flamers are OP", then "playtested and balanced," then "Orktober," what next? "Year of Slaanesh?" (So next November then?)

3. Making players stallout in anticipation will not be well received when GW is moving Boyz to 32mm. Probably the biggest WTF I read that I actually agree with. T3 is 25mm (except Acolytes) and T4 is 32mm (except Necron Warrior) Time to suck it up Orkz.

4. The leaked traits and Klanz are all so.. Meh. It's going to take a lot of power creep to make them top tier. Fight twice better be a generic Stratagem and they will need some mortal wound output. Add in a good LoW and just maybe something will be somewhat competitive to a Knight.

5. With all the fast moving stuff of speed freaks, I don't think they are going to have any problems getting "stuck in," but whether vehicles become relevant or not will probably not be until CA.

At this point I don't even want GSC until next year. Cramming a release in after the 2nd 3rd+ waves of Orkz would be bad, and clearly Orktober is going into November. There is no way they can preview and drop it all in a week.

So salt aside, anyone else think that Orkz have been overhyped? Or have any issues with how it's being handled? I just want GW to be more conservative with their outlandish statements. You don't need to lie to sell your product guys.

[Jbizzy]

Piktober.

[acehilator]

Nah, just bad timing on GW's part. They should have moved KT Commanders to the release slot at the end of October. Two weeks can make a big difference. The new models are top notch. Rules remains to be seen, as long as Knights don't get toned down in this year's Chapter Approved they are not going to shake up the meta for sure. But for 99% of players that is irrelevant anyways, soooo... not sure it's worth looking at new stuff only through the lens of "can it topple the king".

Clan traits are perfectly fine, Klan specific WL traits not so hot, but I am not going to complain about that before I have seen the new generic ones.

[gigasnail]

Doubling down on the salt lately?

[Overread]

The Ork Dakka Dakka salt mines have been working overtime with a handful of users - and I hear Facebook has been similar. Granted Orks, Wolves and Genestealers have been slower to come Codex after what was otherwise a super fast year of releases, however its not like GW stopped releasing stuff, its just other stuff needed to come out too.

Also Orks are getting loads of new kits, from the original core armies they are getting the most of any - so whilst they've a lot of legacy they are getting a huge load of new stuff - lots to be pleased with and I think its just impatience rather than real salt from many.



Also the internet can be a bit of an echo chamber. Take the Slaanesh new years release - its 100% NOT confirmed anywhere. We only guess it MIGHT happen based on previous patterns. However it gets repeated enough some repeat it without the warning; others pick it up and think its legitimiate and the more that post about it the more it becomes "fact" instead of rumour or guesswork. It's fans setting themselves up not GW doing anything at all (in fact GW hasn't released anything for Slaanesh at all- the only hint we've had was someone putting a new sprue into a job lot being dumped that got shown up on ebay)

[mattblowers]

Hive Bahamut I hope you getting paid time and half for all the hours you are putting in down in the salt mine lately. I hear it's bad for your health.

Orktober has been a bit of a whiffer. My son has set aside something like $700 to buy orks when the models release. He is in love with the new models, only to have a hurry up and wait. He doesn't want the new game as it's $130 and only comes with 2 new vehicles (he already has something like 50 ork bikes and nobs biker probably are going to be dropped). At this point no preorders have even been mentioned yet. It's classic case of over promise and under deliver. This is one of the main reasons Rob says he left the Warhammer TV crew: he felt like GW wasn't being honest with their customers. He also reports that they often don't have a plan and just wing it, which sounds about right for what we are receiving. They have zero serious competition so I guess there is no motivation to change.

As for Knights, no more change is needed. Maybe a few more points on the Castellan to make the Valient a bit more cost effective. With the change to CP farming, the uptick in cost of their strategems they aren't anything more than a gatekeeper they seem to be a pretty decent spot.

[killercroc]

As a long time Ork player myself I am dissatisfied with the 'event'. Now when new leaks come out I'm excited, rules look good, Traits look good, Warlord traits range from meh to awesome so there are some good things here. The bad thing is, it's not 'Orktober' it's simply "Hey we made new buggies part of a box game only that's priced like a 2 army battlebox". If they were just releasing new Orks and this is how they wanted to do it that'd be fine, but GW themselves hyped it up to be something it's not. Half way through October and I've seen 1 new buggy, everything else has been rumors or spoilers from people who say a snippet of a pre-released codex but not from GW themselves.

It's like GW is holding a party and invited all their friends but when you get there, there is a 6-pack in the fridge and half a tub of chip-dip that's already warm. I'm sure when the codex finally comes out it'll be awesome and I'll enjoy the new units (from what I've seen so far the new buggies look fun as heck) but as part of a marketing strategy to get me hyped it failed horribly.

[kazetanade]

It's probably some measure of over-taxed marketing team that couldn't keep up with what was being thrown at them. They've been doing what I felt was a decent job most of the year, Orktober is probably the first time they've not kept people happy, possibly because they don't have much to work with to begin with.

[killercroc]

Just to prove me wrong they finally release a good bit of info about the new Orks

www.warhammer-community.com/2018/10/17/17th-oct-orks-da-vehiclesgw-homepage-post-3/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Facebook&utm_campaign=40K&utm_content=40KOrksVehiclesOct17&fbclid=IwAR3jyKEqzqnWRE47eL9o70OKydcFv7ccFhLMQQT2BLvhjvnuqIynCn9h1cY

A bit o' info on all the new buggies.

[kazetanade]

Looks like they caught up to schedule!

I don't even play Orks but I feel those new vehicles look wicked sick. Teleporting plasma? Whaaaaaaat.

[mattblowers]

Sounds fun, but I want to see all the rules.

[clandestinecadence]

Ork players are up there with GK and Tyranid players in terms of sodium content.

[Hive Bahamut]

Fun fact: I just learned recently that Graeco/Roman soldiers used to get paid in salt, and that "worth your weight in salt," actually determined the value of people before currency. Odd how it now means someone who is jaded and biased. (That's CAPTAIN Salty.. No.. Just Salty.)

Opinions are like (please do not swear), we all have one and most really stink. There will always be people that don't agree, and that's fine. I don't see why we aren't allowed to voice things we disagree with and instead have to sing praise in brainwashed unison. Conflict creates better debates!

The reasons I have issues with the way Orkz/and to a lesser extent Xenos have been handled in 8th:

1. 2.5 entirely new Imperial factions introduced, with 2 Xenos models. Codex Knight invalidates ALL the other LoW.

2. Now that 30k is dying they are progressively focusing on more Astartes vs. Astartes story that has been.. The norm for years. 40k is 10k years after the Heresy. We get it, Chaos is bad. No need to NPC all the other threats. Go back to the Sports team clash of 30k please.

3. The fact that Orkz still had a 21+ year old Multimelta buggy on their site doubles down on the previous point. IF YOU ONLY focus on financing a certain department OF COURSE only that department grows. "Nid titans don't sell, so let's make more Knights." Is degenerative thinking. I don't understand how they haven't realized they print money with LoW kits.

4. With Codex "Print Money" out how are they going to shake up the meta? I am hard pressed to see it without the Stompa being gold.

What I do like:
1. Boyz are going to 32mm like a proper Krumpin Ladz!

2. They dropped their "Lootin" bit for "Salvagin" which is much more in line with what they actually do. Looting will be passed to GSC.

3. They are actually revamping stuff instead of just making new page filler. (Wish not proven yet.)

4. Another ENTIRE army of Advance+Charge, for all those haters that our Genestealers alone get it.

5. Flyer without wings is 100% on target. The new Mad Max aesthetic is amazin'

6. Orkz might just be faster than Necrons now. (Fun how the 2 "slow" armies are actually 2 of the fastest.)

[killercroc]

Just to point out or rather to add on to the advance and charge bit, Chaos gets that too. Like as a trait, the entire army of infantry plus Hellbrutes can get advance and charge. Genestealers aren't alone we're just a bit better in CC, and much more adorable!

I'm glad GW has started to give Orks attention but it'll take more than a pretty rose to get me to turn around. I'll take the new codex and units but still won't trust them at all. Still got those 3rd Ed. boyz that havent been upgraded but to be fair most army have the same core infantry from 3rd ed.

Mad maxing the vehicles was a perfect aesthetic choice IMO it fits Ork personality, like that tracked plane is brilliant.

Boyz are slow but that's why we have Trukks! Just make them faster than Rhinos please, lower T and worse S for the same points they should get +2" movement on every bracket at the very least.

[Hive Bahamut]

In regards to the Advance+Charge I just always hear how OP it is, when realistically Nids actually have the least amount of it. It also boosts their movement to 5"+D6 Which is not slow. Their vehicles get a different version too.

Don't worry all those Boyz will be moving to bigger bases soon enough! That is sure to win the hearts over.

If this is new GW they still have a long way before they can convince me they aren't addicted to repetition and samezy. This really is the first notable Xenos release in.. 2-3 years is it? It better have half the energy of Primaris/Custodes or they haven't changed at all.

PLEASE BY THE LOVE OF GORK (OR MORK) GET RID OF ALL THE RANDOM (please do not swear). 8th has fun stuff without devolving to a random chart to see what everything does.