Orkz in 8th

[Hive Bahamut]

I've had about half a dozen games with Orkz in 8th and I have a few questions about optimization, as it is a "community army" there won't be any new additions, so the wait for codex is not as important. Here's what there is:

Ghazghull
Weird Boy
Snikrot
Warboss
Big Mek w/KFF
Big Mek w/Shok
Zagstruk
The one that came out in 7th.. Dataslate with formation.. (can't remember name)


70ish Boyz (30 Shoota/30 Slugga+leftovers)
30 Gretchin

Painboy (best Medik in 40k?)
Nob w/Banner
10x Tankbusta
10x Nobs

3x Kopta
6x Killa Kans

10x Loota
2x Battlewagon
Deff Dread

2 Trukks

So as you can see it was not a bad start into the game, but is still missing a few things. I used the following list, and would like to see what I can manage to cobble together for 1500. I think it may just have to be they do 1250 or 1000 but that's why I'm asking as I prefer the 1500-2000 level.

2x Batallion (following Nid concept with Gretchin instead of Ripper)

2x Big Mek (Headwoppa Killchoppa goes to KFF)
3x 10 Gretchin

Ghaz WL: Tenacious
Weirdboy: Da Jump

2x 30 Boyz w/PKlaw Nob
1x 10 Boyz w/PKlaw Nob (to try out Mob Up.)

Painboy (Truft me I play a Doctor in real life.)
5x Nob 1x Klaw
10x Tankbustas

10x Lootas

Plan for T1: Have most of the Boyz under KFF/Dok Tools that also almost guarantees Da Jump. Last game it was +5 to cast. Mob Up to a 40 and Jump into the lines. (If he Perils the Dok is right there for a 6+++ and heals.) Use Dakka Dakka Dakka on either the Tankbustas or Lootas.

Thank you for the help in advance.

[acehilator]

Lootas are useless imho, I haven't played against Orks yet, but I have yet to see a YT Batrep where they anything besides die a horrible death in T1. Use Trukks to consolidate drops and/or protect more expensive units like Tankbustas.

[Hive Bahamut]

Lootas are about the only way I'll play Autocannons, but yes I would rather another Tankbusta squad.

I initially had both Trukks in with Lootas in one and Tankbustas in the other, but realized that having 2 T6 vehicles is probably a great target for all their AT.

Played against an all infantry Guard list with 10 Ogryn, 6 Bullgryn and Scions to fill troops.

Absolute massacre. Called it after 3, Orkz would have easily been tabled turn 4 or 5. That's with KFF/Dok tools on everything the whole game except the first assault.

So against Militarum mechanized I was tabled without doing anything but removing models. 2nd game was still a massacre, using arguably one of the worst units as a focus, Ogryn.

To all those winning with index armies, can you slip me some of that funny sauce? I can do nothing but get trashed with GSC and Orkz. At least Orkz are fun taking 2 hours to setup and 2 phases to remove.

[acehilator]

Ogryn with Straken and a Priest are awesome

There is a nice competetive Ork thread over on dakkadakka, you can check that out. I think the only way to play Orks is still hordes of Boys + Stormboys, with Big Meks carrying KFFs + buffing characters and something to consolidate drops. They need the same miracle Codex like we received to become worthwhile.

[mattblowers]

I got manhandled by a grot list at an RTT last month. Tons of grots with KFFs are hard to budge. They also had grot tanks, mek guns, and flash gitz. The amount of dakka was silly.

[gigasnail]

New ork stuff coming on October. Check the new stuff from GW thread.

[Hive Bahamut]

Oddly enough the original owner showed up last night. (lives in Australia, brothers of one of our group.)

So I'm playing my first ever GSC vs Orkz. They definitely need a few additions, but like I said it isn't really a thing that will happen.

Orkz intrigue me because they are the only race that "made it," in 40k. Everyone else has "justice," desires and honour to defend (even Nids are akin to Crons in that no life= good.) Orkz don't need anything, they have as many choices to fight as they could ever want, and are inherently built with combat prowess and basic engineering. They are content.