Very loose idea for campaign rules set.

[gigasnail]

I had a couple of ideas for running some looser games than I might usually get into. Was looking at instead of using points, organizing both armies as single faction battalions, with the following two restrictions:

-dedicated transports only for troops
-upgrades max of 50% of a unit's model cost. For instance if a unit costs 100 points before wargear, you may spend a max of 50 points on upgrades.

Immediately the dedicated transport option will need to be modified somehow as it is too/needlessly restrictive (I may cap it instead at just a flat 6).

There may very well be problems with certain units that the bulk of their cost comes from upgrades. Don't know if he want to make a case by case basis exception or just not have that unit in this format.

I have my long-suffering friend/normal opponent in mind with this; this is not a stab at re-hashing competitive rules by any stretch.

I have some ideas on a larger campaign setting also.

I think this will give some over-costed but cool units a chance to see some table time.

[eatmoreflesh]

It definietely sounds like a good excuse to bring units like forgefiends, monoliths, and haruspexes. Especially since you won't see too many heavy weapon teams with the 50% upgrade rule. I like it. I think 6 dedicated transports is better than troops only.

[gigasnail]

We are also considering doing alternating unit activation for shooting and possibly movement.

I really don't want to change a whole lot though. The army composition changes are pretty huge on their own.

[LordPathos]

Tell us how the movement/shooting back and forth works. That sounds really neat.

[gigasnail]

Whoever's turn it is picks a unit, moves it. Other player picks a unit, moves it. Alternate until neither player has any units they want to move.

Same for shooting.

[LordPathos]

Im sorry, I meant how it works once you tried it.

[gigasnail]

whoops, derp. sorry man, i totally misread what you said. will do.

[mattblowers]

Jun 3, 2018 15:56:25 GMT gigasnail said:

Whoever's turn it is picks a unit, moves it. Other player picks a unit, moves it. Alternate until neither player has any units they want to move.

Same for shooting.

I don't think that this works in the current state of 40K. Too many things like strategems, psychic powers, and buffs are meant to be used when you can dictate how your whole army is going to play for a turn. The only way I could see it work is if you alternate activations where each unit gets to move/psychic/shoot/charge-fight in it's entirety. That would bring up a whole other set of issues.

I think you are opening a bigger can of worms than you realize here.

Let us know how it goes. I've been saying for a while that I hope GW gives us an alternating activation ruleset. I want that to happen but suspect it takes a complete reset rather than a few tweaks.

[gigasnail]

Im aware, just not overly concerned about losing a couple of stratagems or having their impact lessened. Thats at least partially the point.

[mattblowers]

Jun 4, 2018 15:14:44 GMT gigasnail said:

Im aware, just not overly concerned about losing a couple of stratagems or having their impact lessened. Thats at least partially the point.

For sure let us know how it works out. It will be interesting to hear the unintended consquences. It's always fascinating to see the difference small changes (ie. ITC secondary scoring) can make in unit viability.

[gigasnail]

mattblowers out of curiosity what specific ability/stratagem/whatever do you feel is going to be the issue here?

[gigasnail]

Yeah for sure. Any time you make a change in core rules, be aware you're literally changing the core rules of the game and things are going to shift.

[mattblowers]

Jun 4, 2018 17:55:49 GMT gigasnail said:

mattblowers out of curiosity what specific ability/stratagem/whatever do you feel is going to be the issue here?

just off the top of my head:

- double shoot strategem are going to be a problem, especially since your opponent can wait to pop them after you have left a unit exposed. As this can happen anytime in the shooting phase and after your opponent has gone/not gone it could be a real issue. A short ranged gun moves into range for a shooting attack and then gets double tapped by a unit of hive guard. Now it's gone and you didn't even get a chance to shoot the unit 1x. This will be a real issue for deep strikers.

- sorting out combat will be an issue. Who get's initiative? How do you work out interrupt to fight? What about fight a 2nd time? What about a unit that charges a unit that charged? Can a unit overwatch and then charge?

- How will Yannri work? Can they always use their power as their isn't a "my turn" mechanic?

- seems a big issue for close combat armies as they can actively screen as they see a melee unit moving into place for a charge. it will be impossible to target a high value unit with a charge against a savvy opponent. Many CC units are fragile (genestealers) and will be shot off the table after you have moved them in place for the charge.

I'm not saying it won't work. I just don't know how you are going to sort out those things.

[gigasnail]

I don't know about the other shooting strats but pretty sure SMA happens at the end of the shooting phase.

Don't care about Ynarri; no one plays them in my group. it'll be nids and power armor in this.

CC already does alternating unit activation. I dont see a reason to alter it; mostly what im doing us making the rest of the phases follow its example.

[gigasnail]

Ok no wait CC is definitely going to be weird.

Good point, thank you.