Vs. Dark Eldar 8.0

[yoritomo]

8th edition is here and with it comes the new iteration of the Vs. Dark Eldar thread.

The intent of this thread is to gather all the questions, advice, tactics, and general knowledge regarding Dark Eldar. It is our hope that the serious discussion in this thread will help you achieve victory in your future games.
If you are new then please feel free to ask a question. If you're a veteran then leave your impression or ideas on how to beat Dark Eldar. The more input we have the better we get as a community.

On an administrative note: as this is a focused discussion, the moderators reserve the right to remove off topic posts without warning.

[julianrwr]

My n1 recommendation of you are playing against dark eldar is: do not use monsters. I don't think there is an army capable to put as many s8 ap-4 d6 damage as them. On a 1500 pt match they can reliably kill 3 monsters per turn

[fmc]

Played a lot of games against Dark Eldar recently. Plop down 40+ genestealers, they really have no way of dealing with this.
The rest of your army just doesn't even matter.

[nidzy]

Nov 17, 2017 18:12:05 GMT fmc said:

Played a lot of games against Dark Eldar recently. Plop down 40+ genestealers, they really have no way of dealing with this.
The rest of your army just doesn't even matter.

Especially with malanthrope/venomthrope support. My regular DE player writes a mean mean list with 15+ lances, 8 blaster, 100 or so venom shots and he struggles with the stealers but dominates the MC's

[red]

Dark eldar the bane of every tyranid player . We are lucky that 8th edition has not bin kind to DE.
infantry are T3 most 5+ and there tanks and flyers T5-6 4+ 5++
but dont under estemate them . they can put down a hail of "lascannon fire" like no other army
and all there other shooting weapons always wound on a 4+.


for a friendly game against dark elder you have not a lot to fear build your list with troops lots of troops and you will do fine leave the big MC home
last night i played a game and the end of T3 he conseeded.
I won because of board control big blobs of troops ( spaced out wel )surrounding him making it very hard to use his speed to his avantage .
My list was JORMUNGANDR 3 units of 3 ravengers with 2 units of stealers and a unit devilgaunts in the piggy back then 6 warriors DS+BS a prime a nuro
and an other unit of devil gaunts and to finish a unit of 20 gargoyles and big papa stealer as the warlord.
his heavy weapons killed al a lot of my multi wound troops 5 T1 ,4 T2 and 4 T3.

any way against them in a tourney its a whole different world in my 1500 point game his list he spat out like 8 S8 -3 ap D6 wounds shots dark lance and 14 S8 blasters -4 D3 wounds every turn so big bugs are in trouble against these lists
hell any thing is in trouble send your little bugs after his (transports) flyers fast and shoot them down. in CC stealers with shred them with ease. dont for get to bring your Scyting talons some units have such a bad save or a invun / feal no pain it is practical to use them .

[jesper77]

Will this be our toughest opponent? Their looking realy realy strong. Blasters super cheap, reavers, scourges and super strong combos for force multipliers.

[burd]

Apr 3, 2018 17:47:01 GMT jesper77 said:

Will this be our toughest opponent? Their looking realy realy strong. Blasters super cheap, reavers, scourges and super strong combos for force multipliers.

Tau is probably the toughest. Can match the numbers, stronger longer guns can erase big models from 18" and way beyond. This is an opinion of course and i own big tau/bugs armies. But from my games against BA DA Ksons DG Necros tau and tyranids. Our BA tyranid games have been the closest and tau have just killed everything which isn't too fun when you are the one,rolling 100+ saves a turn

[burd]

DE look good too from what im reading

[LordPathos]

DE are mean, Razorwings are way too cheap for the firepower they bring. I'm not claiming they are OP yet, but Im getting there.

[hiveoverall]

OP vs nids ? Or OP in general ? Cause if a DE wants a game, i'd bring anything BUT nids. Yes, the 3 previous editions traumatized that much

[LordPathos]

Im playing against them with a Wraith army. Very bad match up for me. That is why Im not saying they are OP yet. But so far, with all the stuff they CAN do, it hits hard.

[crazydiamond]

My brother plays DE. Routinely wrecks me but he doesn't play often and there is only 1 other DE player in my local meta so I don't generally build with them in mind. That said, my brother has started playing more actively.

I agree with the troop spam. The DE are just toooo good against our monsters. With the poison 4+ and 2+ attacks with reroll 1s on a lot, high ap and damage, their 6+ FNP and decent invulns. They're tough to crack. Melee is a weak point for them, but their units that are CC oriented are deadly with many attacks and poison 2+ with rerolls. Even swarmy is scared.

The solution seems to be massing shots and bodies. Genestealers and termagants are your friends. Hive guard are ok too, I tend to take shockcannon to compensate for their vehicles. I'd honestly probably shelf swarmy, as the beta rules make it harder on him and he's still in trouble against a lot of DE options. He's not really worth the points investment. I'd still take a couple flyrants tho. Things like carnifex are no goes though, they get deleted quick.
Getting first turn seems vital against this matchup, even more so than others.

[rabidweasel33]

I played some games with them this weekend. To state the obvious , they are fast and Agents of Vect is very mean.


Without auras or drugs the highest T values are 6s. If you can destroy their transports (T5) they drop really quickly.

They have two ways of dealing with psykers, but most nid HQs are psykers. One is a relic that allows them to attempt to deny in the same manner as a psyker, and if they successfully deny the power it causes the caster to perils. The other is a single-use strategem for a Haemonculus. They roll a d6 for each psykers within 12" of the model, and on a 4+ causes d3 MWs.

[jesper77]

Now with spamming Agent strat their realy realy tough! Their gonna deny crucial strats like double shoot and double move. Seriusly I realy dont understand GW. Eldar with cousins are realy OP, th ”nerfas” in Theo Astra FAQ didnt even effect the eldar races, their were soP before the FAQ and more so post FAQ.

[fmc]

Whats our best counters / strategy for Raider/Venom spam, probably with some jetbikes/mandrakes as well?