Vs. Imperial Knights 8.0

[yoritomo]

8th edition is here and with it comes the new iteration of the Vs. Imperial Knights thread.

The intent of this thread is to gather all the questions, advice, tactics, and general knowledge regarding Imperial Knights. It is our hope that the serious discussion in this thread will help you achieve victory in your future games. If you are new then please feel free to ask a question. If you're a veteran then leave your impression or ideas on how to beat Imperial Knights. The more input we have the better we get as a community.

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[meeskmiser]

Have a friend going all knights starring the new Knight Valiant, any advice for what to run? the siegebreaker auto-deleter is pretty terrifying, so let me know what you have in mind for countering it

[hivefleetkerrigan]

Jul 7, 2018 8:30:42 GMT meeskmiser said:

Have a friend going all knights starring the new Knight Valiant, any advice for what to run? the siegebreaker auto-deleter is pretty terrifying, so let me know what you have in mind for countering it

This thread here is long but has a ton of discussion as to how to fight imperial knights.
thetyranidhive.proboards.com/thread/55624/deal-new-knights?page=1

[hibasa]

I just finished a game against knights and my genestealers did the most work. Hordes seem the way to go

[hivefleetkerrigan]

Jul 15, 2018 5:32:25 GMT hibasa said:

I just finished a game against knights and my genestealers did the most work. Hordes seem the way to go

Could you please post your list here? I think it would help the hive's understanding.

[hibasa]

We played at 94PL because casual games.

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Tyranids) [94 PL, 1767pts] ++

+ HQ +

Broodlord [8 PL, 162pts]

Hive Tyrant [11 PL, 210pts]: 2x Monstrous Scything Talons, Wings

Tyranid Prime [6 PL, 104pts]: Devourer, Scything Talons

+ Troops +

Genestealers [16 PL, 240pts]
. 20x Genestealer: 20x Rending Claws

Ripper Swarms [2 PL, 33pts]: 3x Ripper Swarm

Termagants [9 PL, 176pts]
. 14x Termagant (Devourer): 14x Devourer
. 16x Termagant (Fleshborer)

Tyranid Warriors [9 PL, 150pts]
. Tyranid Warrior: Boneswords, Deathspitter
. Tyranid Warrior: Boneswords, Deathspitter
. Tyranid Warrior: Boneswords, Deathspitter
. Tyranid Warrior: Boneswords, Deathspitter
. Tyranid Warrior (Bio-cannon): Boneswords, Venom Cannon

+ Elites +

Hive Guard [7 PL, 144pts]
. Hive Guard: Impaler Cannon
. Hive Guard: Impaler Cannon
. Hive Guard: Impaler Cannon

Venomthropes [5 PL, 90pts]: 3x Venomthrope

+ Fast Attack +

Gargoyles [6 PL, 120pts]: 20x Gargoyle

+ Heavy Support +

Biovores [2 PL, 50pts]: Biovore

Biovores [2 PL, 50pts]: Biovore

Tyrannofex [11 PL, 238pts]: Rupture Cannon, Stinger Salvo

++ Total: [94 PL, 1767pts] ++

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Knights got turn one. Eliminated my venomthropes and hive guard right off the bat. They got unlucky with rolls so only lost 9 gargoyles and 1 stealer. My turn one I managed to shoot down one melee oriented knight and charge into the other with genestealers and eat it up. After that I just cycled shooters and tied up the bigger 24w knights with rippers and gargoyles allowing my flyrant to get into combat. I think the key to my victory was tying up his units as fast as I could as well as the opponent not falling back to shoot. I played Kronos because my list was gun line esque.

[mattblowers]

Not sure there is much take away from a game where your opponent didn't fall back to shoot you since that is the real power of the new big baddies.

[hibasa]

I will say part of it was spore Mines locking him. Moved then Used SMA on the biovores to make 4 before I charged in. Not really a huge deal but I want to pretend lol.

Genestealers did most Of the work

[Master Chief]

Has anyone tried Old One Eye against Knights_

Math says that the big bug is killing one Knight in 1 close combat phase.

[meeskmiser]

Aug 11, 2018 21:07:32 GMT Master Chief said:

Has anyone tried Old One Eye against Knights_

Math says that the big bug is killing one Knight in 1 close combat phase.

Yeah when I play against knights he’s one of bullets Swarmlord shoots across the map, and with some avg-above avg rolling you’ll take a Knight down, just make sure to pop off the fight again strat if need be

[burd]

Yeah when I play against knights he’s one of bullets Swarmlord shoots across the map, and with some avg-above avg rolling you’ll take a Knight down, just make sure to pop off the fight again strat if need be[/quote]


And pray that Willie doesn't get disintegrated in overwatch from whatever that auto hit gun is that insta gibs big bads

[Master Chief]

Well you don't risk it, usually someone else is taking the overwatch instead of the big bug.

[burd]

Ok then willie isn't a bullet. When you say bullet you mean double moving him with hive commander and onslaught meaning he is more than likely the only one within charge range otherwise it would just be willie charging with gaunts or stealers to soak the overwatch which isn't going to be turn 1. And if its not turn 1 swarmy is dead unless he is hiding behind a building and if he is hiding he is not moving up the board with the gaunts stealers unless you planned to daisy chain them back to him.

[nidzy]

Aug 11, 2018 21:07:32 GMT Master Chief said:

Has anyone tried Old One Eye against Knights_

Math says that the big bug is killing one Knight in 1 close combat phase.

I haven't even come close to killing a knight with OOE when rolling it up. I haven't done this math, but my guess is you average 6 or 7 hits which would max at 21 wounds. To make sure i have it right, he is +2 to hit on the charge and -1 to hit using crushing claws so all 5's and 6's then result in extra attacks since it is on a 6+ (5's become sixes but 4's become 5's unlike if he were rolling with scytals). He is still wounding on 3's, you can use the stratagem to reroll those and that leaves a 6+ save for your opponent to negate 3 damage at a time. If you are counting on fighting twice, don't. OOE should average dying against all knights who have a chainsword. A gallant should average killing him regardless of what he swings with.

[afewveiws]

And if he does die then you pop the strat that allows him to fight again after death. OOE is a suicide missile that takes a single knight down with him.

-OR-

He's a support model that charges a knight turn 2 with a brood of fexes and survives to do it again the next turn.

What you use him for depends on the enemy you're faceing. They got 1 knight? Suicide missile. They got 3+? Leader of a herd.