"Extra Marines" 2k 8th ed

[nidzy]

Hi all. I wanted to start putting out some of my 8th ed marine lists to help the hive get and idea of what they can do, and also get any feedback you have based on playing with or against this army in this edition as I have only played games with nids.

I wanted to start by only using models I have built. I am not sold on the techmarine, but it seemed like a way to help boost the vehicles survival. I feel like this army has a really strong shooting output. The assault squad is just there to add bodies and maybe tie up a fast moving unit or screening unit to keep my shooters shooting. The goal is to provide rerolls to as many units as possible with the captain from range and then jump in to support in melee where extra punch is needed.

This is what I came up with:

Battalion:

Captain: bike, thunder hammer, storm shield (140)
Techmarine: bike(89)

3x5 tac marines: grav cannon in each squad (93x3)

3 Razorbacks: twin assault cannon (100x3)

10 Assault marines

5 devestators: 2 lascannon, 2 heavy bolter

Landraider Crusader: twin assault cannon, hurricane bolters (287)

Air wing:

Stormraven: twin multimelta, hurricane bolters, twin assault cannon (311)
2xStormtalon: 2 heavy bolters, twin assault cannon. (165)

Just on vehicles this is 84 str 6 shots, and with hurricane bolters get as high as 48 str 4 shots from 12" in. The only elite shooting comes from a couple of lascannons and multi meltas/missiles on the Stormraven but my hope was that weight of fire would carry the day, especially adding in some d3 damage from grav and extra heavy bolter shots from the devs.

[nidzy]

Seems like you guys have really breathlessly been awaiting updates for this...or not...Anyway, I think I have a better grasp of what the meta is going to be after playtesting this list.

My second list is probably more familiar to those of you who have played a competitive try at ultramarines so far:

LoW: Guilliman

HQ: Captain: combi melta, power axe

Troops:

2x 5 man tac squad: grav cannon
2x 5 man tac squad: sg: combi plasma/axe, plasma
1 5 man tac squad: melta/combi melta

4x razorback w/ twin assault cannon
rhino: 2x storm bolter

Contemptor dreadnought

Predator: pred autocannon
Stalker
5 devestators: 2xlascannon, 2x heavy bolter

Guilliman is a (please do not swear) beast and he supports the razorbacks and tac squads extraordinarily well. Overcharged plasma is impressive when you reroll to hit AND to wound. This list did well against a 7th ed ork list that was basically 50 lootas, a stompa and a big mek.

It lead to the most "space marine" moment I have ever experience. I advanced all my razorbacks and popped smoke toward the stompa and moved up with contemptor and gully. Got out the next turn after the smoke turned loota into snap shootas (true this, I thought you knew this...still waiting for a record label to call me to kick off that hip hop career), shot it and soaked a charge from it then fell back with tac marines and assaulted it with gully and the contemptor to finish it the next turn. Epic.

Next updates: I am probably going to drop the pred and the stalker in favor of either some fast melta in the form of bikes, or another contemptor because that guy is a BAMF.

[blackrainbow]

I don't have much experience vs non-bikes ($#@* bikes) but it looks good. Do you favor a Kill'em All style with these or go for the points?

[nidzy]

Jun 24, 2017 11:14:10 GMT blackrainbow said:

I don't have much experience vs non-bikes ($#@* bikes) but it looks good. Do you favor a Kill'em All style with these or go for the points?

I think tac marines got a solid boost this edition with the increased output of special weapons, the cheapness of power weapons and the fact that advance and smoke is a brutal combo against non 3+ shooters. After a turn 1 advance, I was getting out to shoot and within melta range on turn 2. I will try to get more games in and let you know how the play style seems to even out with them.

[blackrainbow]

Good good, looking forward to hearing about them. If you don't already, chat with your opponent after (or during!) the games and openly discuss strategy, units, what worked and what didn't. Stuff like that helps greatly as well. Best of luck.

[nidzy]

I have been tinkering with this list a little bit more. I wanted to try and include snipers since I feel like I have struggled against character heavy lists that are backed by high model counts. I also wanted to try out a libby. Lastly, after my initial sticker shock reading the changes to my Grav Centurions, I decided to try them as as a pure horde clearer as they have a huge number of (please do not swear) with 2 heavy bolters and a hurricane bolter each.

After doing a little math on snipers backed by Telion and Guilliman I started to get more excited about the idea. They performed really well in my one play test so far, killing a Daemon Prince between 10 snipers and Telion in a single turn of shooting. Hitting on 2's with a reroll, and rerolling to wound really boosts their chances to get mortal wounds out there and those wounds happening in addition to other damage is gravy.

Battalion:



Telion
Librarian


2x5 Tac marines: Melta, Combi melt
10 snipers: cammo cloaks, sniper rifles.

3xRazorbacks: Assault Cannon

Contemptor Dreadnought: kheres assault cannon

3 Devestator Centurions: 2x heavy bolter, hurricane bolter.

Storm Raven: melta, hurricane bolters

Guilliman

[blackrainbow]

Jul 16, 2017 17:02:35 GMT nidzy said:

... between 10 snipers and Telion in a single turn of shooting. 

Sorry, I'm only familiar with the Vindicare Assassin sniper, how do you get 10 sniper shots, does Telion buff something that much? (not familiar with him either)

[nidzy]

Jul 19, 2017 22:48:37 GMT blackrainbow said:

Jul 16, 2017 17:02:35 GMT nidzy said:

... between 10 snipers and Telion in a single turn of shooting. 

Sorry, I'm only familiar with the Vindicare Assassin sniper, how do you get 10 sniper shots, does Telion buff something that much? (not familiar with him either)

Each of the 10 scouts has a sniper rifle. Telion has a two shot, str 5 d3 damage sniper rifle. He also is +1 to hit for the scout unit. So within the Gully bubble, scouts hit on 2 with a reroll and then generally wound on a 4 or a 5 with a reroll.

The scout sniper rifles cause a mortal wound in addition to any damage on a 6 to wound. In this case I did 3 damage to the DP with Telion's rifle and then caused 3 mortal wounds and 5 armor saves to the daemon prince with the scouts. He failed 2 saves and died.

The glory of this unit is that it is 269 pts so it scales well in different pt games. The scouts have a 2+ save in cover due to cammo cloaks. I have seen a lot of lists so far that rely on character bubbles, so while this isn't a "hard" counter to guilliman, it does provide a reasonable chance to kill him in a few turns of shooting if I average a steady number of mortal wounds and sneak a couple of failed armor saves in. Meanwhile, it melts IG characters and the nasty tzeentch changeling/disc herald lists I have been playing from Daemons so far.

[blackrainbow]

Sounds much better than my Vindicare, ugh. And Scout can hide all but one and still get off all their shots, while Mrs V.A. is all on her own.

This edition is all about that character buff bubbles, so yeah, that's a nice little bit of points to potentially neuter them. Tyranids being stuck with biovore snipers is still funny to me, but they are more for anti-sniper or backfield units as they can't get that sweet sweet character kill.

[nidzy]

Jul 21, 2017 15:31:42 GMT blackrainbow said:

Sounds much better than my Vindicare, ugh. And Scout can hide all but one and still get off all their shots, while Mrs V.A. is all on her own.

This edition is all about that character buff bubbles, so yeah, that's a nice little bit of points to potentially neuter them. Tyranids being stuck with biovore snipers is still funny to me, but they are more for anti-sniper or backfield units as they can't get that sweet sweet character kill.

Vindicare is significantly cheaper and easy to hide though, plus ignoring invul is huge!

I played two more games with this list. The snipers did great against a tzeentch list with a big foreworld baddy...some bird with multiple apostrophes in its name that spits a variety of hot death. Killed the changeling and then a herald before getting assaulted by the bird thing. They were able to fall back, but I conceded before they shot again due to time constraints.

The second game didn't go as hot for the snipers. Got rushed by a sister's list with dominions in repressors. Sniper took 2 heavy bolter squads of act of faith shooting...then died in the shooting phase.

I hit back against the repressor rush but this one was over on the roll off to go first mostly because I didn't deploy cautiously enough at all.

[blackrainbow]

Jul 26, 2017 16:50:04 GMT nidzy said:

Jul 21, 2017 15:31:42 GMT blackrainbow said:

... rushed by a sister's list with dominions in repressors. Sniper took 2 heavy bolter squads of act of faith shooting...then died in the shooting phase.

HAHA! This is hilarious and what I'm hoping to do with my gals. "... 2 heavy bolter squads of act of faith shooting...then died in the shooting phase" cracks me up like you wouldn't believe. Poo on the loss for you, but I'm giddy to get mine on the table.

Yeah, points and a few differences of course give a good choice for different snipers, though I think I'll stick with the VA vs mixing IMPERIUM too much just to get mass snipes.

[nidzy]

Jul 26, 2017 19:27:18 GMT blackrainbow said:

Jul 26, 2017 16:50:04 GMT nidzy said:

... rushed by a sister's list with dominions in repressors. Sniper took 2 heavy bolter squads of act of faith shooting...then died in the shooting phase.

HAHA! This is hilarious and what I'm hoping to do with my gals. "... 2 heavy bolter squads of act of faith shooting...then died in the shooting phase" cracks me up like you wouldn't believe. Poo on the loss for you, but I'm giddy to get mine on the table.

Yeah, points and a few differences of course give a good choice for different snipers, though I think I'll stick with the VA vs mixing IMPERIUM too much just to get mass snipes.

I had a lot of fun this game despite the loss because I was just laughing about how bad I screwed up deployment. In my defense, I hadn't played with these DZ's. I forget what it is called, but it is the one that is long table edges with a 15" point in the middle and 6" on the sides. I have played this list like 3 times and shoulda known better anyway. That extra scout move is a monster when you pair it up with fire points. A monster.

I am glad you enjoyed it

[nidzy]

My competition is heating up a little bit so I decided to write a first draft of an Ultramarine LVO list in case I decide against taking nids.

Battalion:

Captain: combi melta, teeth of terra(chainsword)
Telion

10 scouts: sniper/cammo cloak
2x5 tac marine: lacannon

3xrazorback: twin lascannon, hk missile

5 devestators: 2 heavy bolter, 2 lascannon

2 stormravens: typhoon missile launcher, twin assault cannon, hurricane bolters.

LoW: Guilliman

Basically this list does the reverse of how I approach games with my nids. It kills characters and vehicles/big baddies first and then hopefully the ravens move up and provide anti infantry. With 10 lascannons and 11 turn 1 missile variants(4xtyphoon shots, 4 storm strike, 3hk) it has a crushing output against vehicles from range. I think it will struggle against high model counts but I hope I can mitigate that by staying at range until it doesn't matter. The obvious drawback is that if the ravens get alpha'd, I am boned. My hope is to create space around them with tac marines/devs and razors.

[gigasnail]

Got any games in w/ it yet?

[nidzy]

Playing Nurgle Marines tonight, I will do a little batrep and let you know.