2k Tournament List

[No One]

So, toying with the idea of going to a (pretty big) local tournament later in the year. Thought I'd throw up a list, see what people thought. Missions are all Eternal War and Maelstrom, with KP differential also giving VP. Comp is...sort of used. Max 30 (which is basically 5 flyrant level, so breaking that isn't an issue for me), but comp points are used for match ups and modifies VP - also an under 14 winners bracket (which is basically a no go for nids - 2 flyrants at 2k? Nope). Draft FAQ isn't being used (unless it becomes official before then).

Anyway:

CAD 1:

HQ:

Flyrant 240

Flyrant 240

Elites:

Venom 45

Venom 45

Zoan 50

Troops:

3xRippers 45

3xRippers 45

Heavy Assault:

Dakkafex 150

Dakkafex 150

Mawloc 140

CAD 2:

HQ:

Flyrant 240

Troops:

12xTerms 48

11xTerms 44

Heavy Assault:

Mawloc 140

CAD 3 (GSC):

HQ:

Patty 115 (No invis due to comp).

Elites:

2xPurestrains 30

2xPurestrains 30

2xPurestrains 30
Troops:

12xAcolytes 85

12xAcolytes 85

Total: 1 997 pts.

Thoughts? Couple of things I'm not sure about - 1. Synapse. Draft list had 2 zoans in it, but didn't have points for that actually writing that up here.

2. Lots of basically 'free' KP in the form of the purestrains/troops.

3. Not sure if the 2 single venoms are worth the extra 2 comp points.

So, thinking I might shuffle stuff around to pick up another zoan? More troop rippers may be an option (mucolids are unlikely though ). Was also considering having GSC as primary so I could take CAD and Allied to drop the 2nd troop? Of course, that's basically just giving up WL, but unless the FAQ is official, everything would at least be able to benefit. Something I just thought of/remembered now - DftS is being used, so not sure how that'll effect the usefulness of rippers/mawlocs (might even be worth baiting with them and burrowing T2??)?

[Kark]

I'm not really familiar with comp scores, can You take 5 flyrants or not? If yes, I'd stick with 5 of them even if I had some penalties to VPs.

I see no point in taking gaunts at all. If You need obsec troops, You have cheap units in genestealers cult (and by the way, disciples are far better as they are cheaper and fearless). I'd also choose primus or magus as HQ and drop the purestrains.

Mawlocs work quite good in eternal war missions as they can leave the tabletop and reappear later, so personally I'd switch carnifexes for mawlocs.

[No One]

While the thoughts are appreciated, I'm restricted by the models I own (so no more mawlocs or flyrants) - probably should've mentioned that. The gaunts are there for min troops (mucos would be better, but I don't have mucos. I may have mucos or rippers instead later, or I may not).

Acolyte hybrids are the favoured disciples (i.e. the fearless rending murder blob). Had considered primus over patty (magus is useless I think - I'm not paying 8 comp for a 1/3 chance of invis, with nothing really to cast it on), but I think they're of similar use (stealth, mtc and hit and run vs zealot, ID and grenades, with patty mostly being better combat otherwise). As such, I've gone with patty since I don't have to buy another model to field him . As I said, not 100% on the purestrains. On the one hand, part of the reason I'm getting cult is to field them (a reason to field stealers that seems useful, for cheap?), and from the little I've playtested, they seem like they'd be quite good for maelstrom/generally being annoying gits. On the other...basically free KP. *Shrug* I think that's going to have to be something that I actually test (especially since I don't really have anything else to grab, other than another zoan and just filling out my gaunt squads).

And 5 flyrants would be an option...if I have literally nothing else (as in, 5 is 29 comp, and a venom is 2) and had the models (only have 3 at present - toying with the idea of picking up another, but I think that might be a tad too much spent on 40k this year (most of that stuff I'd have bought this year).)

Also, the VP is +1/-1 per 5 comp difference.

[Kark]

So maybe 4 flyrants...

Genestealers as min 5 man squad is better option than gaunts for troops, if You don't have enough mucolids/rippers. They cost the pts, but they don't need synapse (so You can drop that zoanthrope) and can infiltrate/outflank and score some pts before they die.

[No One]

Kark said:

So maybe 4 flyrants...

4 flyrants...depends on how I'm going in general (which, considering I've only recently got another 2 flyrants, and had been going OK...). Don't really want to spend money on a flyrant just to spend more money to go to a tournament . Definitely agree it's worth the comp (4th is same as invis, but is actually reliable), but is it worth the money (E: Spent now)? Generally a tad spending averse, and I've already dropped a fair chunk of change on 40k this year - would prefer to pace my spending (I don't exactly want to get bored with 4 flyrants next year).

Genestealers as min 5 man squad is better option than gaunts for troops, if You don't have enough mucolids/rippers.

Hadn't considered min stealers - might be an option to drop the purestrains to swap them for gaunts, but I think the purestrains+gaunts are likely to be more useful in general (I think it's more likely just a case of 'is the free KP worth it'?). Hopefully I get some rippers (the guy I bought the flyrant/mawloc from said he'd give me some, but not sure if that'll end up happening. Flyrant+mawloc for $100 though, so I'm pretty happy either way.)

but they don't need synapse (so You can drop that zoanthrope)

I can't drop the zoan though - I've still got the dakkafexes, and I sort of want them shooting .

Anyway, think the list has a chance? Not sure how it stacks up to other hard tourney lists (though the 30 comp does knock out the top ones).

[kooskoos]

You can make cheap good looking Mucolids by using left over Venomthrope bits from a Zoanthrope kit. I'll post a pic once I figure out how.

[No One]

Jun 19, 2016 8:26:17 GMT kooskoos said:

You can make cheap good looking Mucolids by using left over Venomthrope bits from a Zoanthrope kit. I'll post a pic once I figure out how.

Might be an option - the main problem would be actually getting the bits. My thropes are finecast, so I don't have any extra venom bits, and postage here is pretty expensive. (Might be able to get some locally...maybe). As to how to post pics...I think you need to upload it to a image sharing site, then go reply, insert image and add the url. But not something I've ever done before.

[gigasnail]

Comp, lol.

[No One]

gigasnail said:

Comp, lol.

*Shrug* Blame the Eastern States . It's actually not too bad here - 30 comp doesn't really restrict much of anything. Just those super spam lists (like scat bike spam, gladius/grav etc) - 4 dakka flyrants fits in pretty decently, and you could squeeze in 5 (though no venom, so...). Not too bad, as comp goes - the VP from comp differential...eh, don't really like (especially the fact that it's 2 per - basically requires you to curb stomp, which...I don't know if I'd be able to do), but can't really do much about it. Compare to the Eastern States/National tournament, where the comp limit is 14! Which is stupidly low for 2k - that basically restricts you to 2 flyrants (3+venom is 13 - I doubt I'd be able to take 1300 pts of not useless stuff for only 1 comp point)...yeah.

[gigasnail]

i'd definitely be voting with my wallet. do not want. does nothing, merely shifts the problem to something else.

[No One]

Eh, when it (basically) doesn't actually affect me? Not too bothered by it. The 30 comp ceiling is something I literally cannot break with my models (though I could come close if I took invis, and I could break it if I bought another flyrant and took invis. But why I'd spend points for the chance of invis...), and considering I'm planning on going for the tournament experience, the VP differential would only really affect me if I'd otherwise be placing (which I'd think is fairly unlikely) (E: Would still like to place as high as possible, of course ). *Shrug* It's not a point in its favour, but it's nowhere near enough of a reason (in and of itself) to not go. Of course, I'm still not sure if I want to go, but the comp doesn't factor much into that.

E: The 14 comp one though? Haha, no. Totally agree with you on that. But that's on the other side of the country, so I wouldn't be going anyway.

[gigasnail]

i'm a long time nay-sayer on comp. i won't do it, won't participate in it. worst list i ever fought against was made specifically to laugh at comp tournaments. got to draw the line somewhere, and i understand it's in a different place for everyone. this is mine.

[No One]

Fair enough. Not a fan of comp myself, but not to that extent . Also partly an options thing - this is the only big tournament around, and is looking like the only tournament (that isn't doubles) for the rest of the year (the FLGS is basically the only other possibility).

[gigasnail]

that sucks. being in the central valley there are lots of options if you're willing to drive. the local hobby town is reasonably active too.

[Kark]

Jun 19, 2016 1:14:40 GMT No One said:

Anyway, think the list has a chance? Not sure how it stacks up to other hard tourney lists (though the 30 comp does knock out the top ones).

It's difficult for me to say, I'm not really familiar with comps (so I can't predict what enemy armies would look like). In regular tournaments tyranids don't stand much chance against anything right now.

As for Your list, I'd insist on 4th flyrant, but I understand limited collection/funds.