Grey Knights w/ Sisters of Battle (list updated in comments)

[LordPathos]

Hey guys,

Been a while since I brought this army list out and about. I played around with my old lists and came up with something I like.

Grey Knights

Grand Master
Cuirass of Sacrifice
Force Halberd/Master Crafted
Incinerator

Librarian
Psychic Mastery Level 3
Fury of Deimos

5 Terminator Squad
Justicar w/ Daemonhammer
1 Psycannon

5 Terminator Squad
Justicar w/ Daemonhammer
1 Psycannon

Dreadknight
Heavy Incinerator
Heavy Psycannon


Adepta Soroitas

Canoness
Power Sword
Combi-Melta
Rosarius

10 Battle Sister Squad
Superior w/ Combi-Melta + Chainsword
2 Flamers

10 Battle Sister Squad
Superior w/ Combi-Melta + Chainsword
2 Flamers

5 Dominion Squad
Superior w/ Combi-Melta + Chainsword
4 Meltas

Immolator
Multi-Melta
Storm-bolter
Extra Armour
Laud Hailer

Exorcist
Storm-bolter
Extra Armour
Laud Hailer


Storm Wing Formation

Stormraven Gunship
Multi-Melta
Lascannons
Extra Armour

2 Stormtalon Gunships


This pulls at 2142 points. If I could get to 2000 that would be ideal. But I'm really not sure what to trim here because I like everything. So shoot me your opinions and we'll take it from there.
Aaaaaaand GO!

[WestRider]

Some little things you could trim:
- The Fury of Deimos is overpriced on the Librarian because you first have to shell out for a Storm Bolter for him to swap for it, since he doesn't come with a gun normally.
- Similarly, the Cuirass of Sacrifice is cool, but hardly crucial.
- I don't really feel like the Storm Raven needs Extra Armour. (Also, it doesn't save Points, but I prefer the Assault Cannon on there. The main advantage of the Lascannon is range, which usually isn't a problem for Flyers.)
- Can the Canoness get a Power Axe, or just a Sword? Since her Init isn't great anyhow, Unwieldy is less of a penalty than it might otherwise be.
- Maybe swap the Troops Superiors to Bolt Pistol/CCW/Meltabombs? I've never had good results from Combi-Meltas in Units that weren't Melta-focused.
- The one big place I can see to trim is that a single Exorcist is often just a target. Especially with no other high AV starting on the board.
- And this is going in the opposite direction, but StormTalons really want the Skyhammer Missile Launcher. It's a little overpriced, but it's a major improvement from the Heavy Bolters. Also, that's another spot that's really easy to make swappable. Doesn't even need magnets, a dab of blu-tac will do it, and stay completely hidden, the way the join is there.

[LordPathos]

I would really like to bring the iconic models to the field. So I could nix the stormwing formation and just bring in the raven as the FA. That saves me over 200 points and I know this goes in the opposite direction as well, but then I could bring in another exorcist.

[LordPathos]

Would combat squads of purifiers in razorbacks be viable? Or Seraphim? I've been reading up on a few things and they seem decent on paper.\

[Halollet]

Got a few questions for you.

Grand master. Why the MC halberd? For 8 more points you can grab the soul glaive which is 10x deadlier. Also, what's your plan to get this guy into combat? Just deepstike him in?

Librarian. Why do you need one more bolter shot? What's your plan for this guy, sit back and unleash powers?

Terminators. Again, just deep striking them in? Why give the justicar the hammer? Because of challenges he's the most likely to die or not participate. A hidden, non character powerfist, is much more scarier. I would give the justicars fashion or nothing. I also might call your gks a strike force so you can combat the termies so you put all your CC weapons in one group of 5 and the 2 psycannons in another.

Canoness. What is she going to hurt with a strong 3 ap 3 cc weapon? Why have a cc weapon and no pistol on the side for +1 attacks? What's her role on the battle field?

Sister squads. Are they walking across the table with flamers? Get them in rhinos or immolators, seriously.

Exorcist. Why the laud hailer? Seems like a waste as I don't see anything that would sit in the back with it for it to get its benefit. And I would suggest against moving it up cause you'll just expose the side armour.

Tanks. Extra armour seems like a really big waste. If it gets penetrated the 2 times it can take before going pop, and if your opponent happens to roll that one in six chance, you just down grade the effect. Not worth it at all. Just no.

Hope this helps.

[blackrainbow]

I'm not familiar with GK, so I'll keep my comments to the Adepta Sororitas.

For your canoness, I strongly suggest the Mantle of Ophelia if you don't take the Book of St. Lucius (see below) so that she can tank wounds. For ccw, she has decent stats (read: she will lose hard to anything resembling a CC focused unit) as far as WS and I go, so power sword is decent to keep her in the fight CC wise. Also, melta bombs. If you want to point-sink her with a fancy blade, go with the evicerator. Of the two, the ASLast is fine as you'll be playing defensively when it comes to getting into CC anyways, and taking it can skip the melta bombs and make her a huge threat to any vehicles or knights should they get too close. Skip though unless your giving her a vehicle to get into combat quickly with. The Blade of Admonition ain't worth it.

The basic SoB squad, unless your going to put them in a rhino or immolator, any UG for the superior other than melta bombs is not worth it. Two flamers is fine, and don't worry about rhinos (sorry Halollet), you don't want to get too close to anything anyways unless your going flame-dump (5 girls, two flames, combi flame, immo with heavy flame - 140), but really, just marching and shooting is fine for the Sororitas. They. HATE. CC. (or at least suck at it, though they can tie up units for a turn due to low T, power armor, and 6++). Just move, shoot, flame what you can. The fire is there for hordes and deterent, not as your main punch. You can UG the sister superior to a veteran sister superior, but the only good thing of that is the Ld bump. I find that for 1/2 the cost, putting the Book of St. Lucius on the Canoness gives a nice 12" bubble for most things you need.

Seraphim are great, just keep them simple. Give them hand flamers and that's it, you have your support/harassment unit. Dual pistols, two sets of dual flamers, Hit & Run, Jump? Oh yes. That's 85 well spent points.

For the exorcists, drop the extra armor, your not a transport so it will never come into play. The laud hailer too, unless your keeping a long range team that reallllly needs to pass its Act of Faith. Just park it and shoot stuff. I do like the storm bolters on it, extra protection for enemy nearby, as well as 50% save for your main weapon when something does hit it.

I'm assuming your putting the Dominions in the immolator, good. But drop the extra armor there too. You infiltrate, jump out, nuke something that costs more than you, then pray you live the next round to repeat as the enemy now has a TL-MM tank and five girls with meltas in their home field and WILL shoot or assault the beegeesus out of you. A note for their UGs, if you play with a lot of cover or suspect you can get off a solid second round of melta at range, UG to the veteran superior AND slap a laud hailer on the immo. You Need that Ignore Cover to happen. If you think you can get away with it, give the veteran superior a imperialis similacrum (sp?) for the extra round of Faith. Vs Knights, give her melta bombs, 'cuz your going to get into combat and you want the chance to take it out should it survive your shooting. (Pro-tip, shoot knights with exorcists first so they have to put their shields up front, split your immo and squad up so they can shoot at back/rear respectively if they still put shields to the rear/back).

[LordPathos]

blackrainbow and Halollet,

You have both given good feedback and I will look over my thoughts with the list again. I didn't make this list with a pure competitive aim. I really just want an army that brings the iconic ideals of both armies together. But that doesn't mean I want to just throw units on the table and say it's an army.

When I come up with a new list I will update post it here and I hope you guys will critic again.

Thanks!

[LordPathos]

I'm trying to look at both armies and match each of their pros to the others cons. Both have a lot of mid-range fire, but GK do not have a lot of tank busting, SoB do. SoB do not have great assault threats, GK do. I am also seeing how the weapon/gear choices I have made could be much better. The Cuirass of Sacrifice being a great example. If something is going to flatten a Grand Master, chances are the Cuirass will not help. But on a Librarian, I would at least be getting back wounds from psychic powers that go awry. I'm also reading the rules for everything VERY carefully. For the longest time, I read the Soul Glaive's rules as if the wielder, or his unit, are on the receiving end of the Force rule, then he gets those re-rolls. As in if someone is attacking him with force weapons.

So what I'm thinking of right now are Termies with falcions and 1 hammer. If I really REALLY want a MC hunter squad maybe with halberds (not sure if needed for the +1 S since everyone has Hammerhand). I'm debating on taking out the Dreadknight entirely or just cutting one of the weapons. Do I need the talons too from the Storm Wing formation? Probably not. If I drop the Talons I can afford either more Immolators and Dominions or another Exorcist.

If you guys have any suggestions or further critics, let me know. This also fall into the realm of Fortifications. Are there ones I would want to use? I would think that GK and SoB are too mobile to want to stay on a building the whole game.

[blackrainbow]

For monster hunting, if they have monsters they probably won't have a lot of vehicles, and you can turn your melta towards those MC.

Good stuff here on a fortification idea. Mostly yeah, Sororita are too mobile.
www.thetyranidhive.proboards.com/thread/47123/experimenting-sororitas-2k-awesomeness

[LordPathos]

I've been looking at that thread for inspiration. I've posted a couple of times too. But you bring up a good point, if I'm fighting, say, Nids, then that is where the meltas and Exorcists (if I field any) would be pointing. This is the stuff I mean when I'm trying to think more constructively. For instance, I have no idea what to do with the Canoness or the Librarian. I don't know where to stick them or how I should play them. Maybe Canoness on the Termi squad without the GM and give her some close combat stuff. Maybe sit the Librarian with the regular sisters and play support. Kinda stuck there.

Unfortunately, to keep this list around the 2k mark, it is beginning to look like I will have very few models on the board. Not necessarily a bad or unheard of thing considering who I am fielding, but 10 GK termies, a Grand Master, Librarian, Dreadknight, Canoness, 20 Battle Sisters, 5 Dominions, a Stormraven, and Immolator hardly seems like a threatening army.

I do agree with WestRider about dropping the single Exorcist, and I felt the 2 Stormtalons from the Storm Wing formation were not needed. This drops me to 1870 points. No idea what to make that up with. Razorbacks? A Seraphim squad? More Immolators from the Battle Sisters?

This is what I came up with, but I have to tweak still. Right now the Canoness is almost naked.

GREY KNIGHTS
Grand Master- Soul Glaive, Incinerator
Librarian- Cuirass
5 Termies- Hammer, psycannon
5 Termies- Hammer, psycannon
Stormraven- Assault cannon, multi-melta
Dreadknight- heavy incinerator, personally teleporter

Canoness- Rosarius (forgot to give her stuff)
10 Battle Sisters- Meltabomb, Flamer, heavy flamer, Immolator-Multimelta, stormbolter
10 Battle Sisters- meltabomb, Flamer, heavy flamer, Immolator-Multimelta, stormbolter
5 Dominions- combiplasma, 4 melta, Immolator, multimelta, stormbolter

This is 2k even

[blackrainbow]

Immolators can only hold 6, so your 10 girl squad won't fit. If you go suicide girls (tm) and go five to the squad, you can put the extra 5 into two more squads that just sit on objectives on your board, or act as shields, or really w/e else you want 120 points for. Another option is to put some fancy pants on your canoness, get a priest, and put them in the 6th slot of the immos, which is the option I favor.

[LordPathos]

Yeah the extra Immolators were really just to have extra Immolators. Something I am not happy with doing, I'd rather have something in there to maximize threat and damage. Splinting the 10 girl squads would allow this. Just what would the 5 girls do? I do like the priest's war hymns rules. Rerolling armor and invuln saves for the entire SoB AND GK(termies with the ++S) force is awesome. I just really like the idea of strict girls for my SoB side of the list. Who knows, maybe we'll get a new codex like the rumors say and my opinions will change.

*edit*

I have decided that Stormtalons are not worth bringing. I really like the model and think that in SoB colors would be really neat looking. But I feel that Sisters are not specifically missing what the Talons can bring to the table. Maybe once I figure out what I want for my GK and SoB I may get 2 talons just for unbound casual games.

[blackrainbow]

As an option for priests, I take from the "no model line but cool fluff" and say that the priests are Order Famulous. This gives me justification for similar rules as the priests have, and gives me better modeling options than crazy priests and their look, which is crazy priest.

warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Orders_Famulous

For my own Adepta Sororitas army, which includes an IK ally, I use the Order Famulous fluff as a replacement for a priest. My Mother Famulous Superior was responsible for the Knight House before the world fell to tyranids (of course) and now the IK allies with the AS. A decent replacement model for priest are the hospitaller, with perhaps a small bit of modifications.

[LordPathos]

That's some good stuff. I'm currently looking into a Kickstarter project that is making models with how I always thought Sisters should look. They have a lot of good looking stuff. And since DA are the next codex, and then the HUGE overall on fantasy, I doubt SoB are getting that new codex, thus no new models anytime soon, if ever. So sure these are not the real deal, but I am not spending the $100 on 10 metal sisters.

Here's the link, look for Sisters of Mercy (sci-fi)
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*click on the word description, the link is being weird making that picture which doesn't bring you to what I wanted to show*

[blackrainbow]

Oh, yeah. I'm already in on that :P Going to have a nice mix of classic Sororitas repentia with some equivelant TGG, some of their characters for canoness love too. I have one of their flamer girls already, at least I think its' from them. Very nice model, if a bit fragile, resin with over-sized fleur de lis symbols.