Faces of the Great Devourer

[jimmyp]

Sounds like a good game, like the use of raveners

[Jabberwocky]

Honestly I was expecting a nasty loss from the match up but you showed him!

[N.I.B.]

Well I don't really take much from this game, the dude isn't really a competitive player and he's prone to lose track of the objectives of the game, plus he hasn't the best target priority. For instance he was so eager to kill my (forward infiltrated) Warlord that he moved his bikers too close, and could only put a couple of wounds on it since it was in a ruin. Things like that. I expect stiffer competition next game.

[N.I.B.]

Stealer Shock

Hive Fleet Detachement
Dakka Flyrants, Egrubs
Dakka Flyrants, Egrubs
Dakka Flyrants, Egrubs

Mucolid
Mucolid
Mucolid

6 Raveners, Rending Claws
6 Raveners, Rending Claws
9 Shrikes, Adrenal Glands, Toxin Sacs, Flesh Hooks. 1 Sword&Whip/Rending Claws, 2 Sword&Whip/Scything Talons, 6 Rending Claws/Scything Talons

Manufactorum Formation
5 Genestealers
5 Genestealers
5 Genestealers
5 Genestealers
5 Genestealers

1999 points

had another game with this list, against Demonkin this time.

Juglord (with the 12 hound unit)
Jugherald in 27 cultists
8 cultists
2x2 spawn
Heldrake
3 Soulgrinders with phlegm

Gorepack formation
2x3 bikes (melta)
3x5 flesh hounds
12 flesh hounds


Was a fun game with much slaughter on both sides, initially I was on a roll but it came down to I had no answer to the Soulgrinders. Their ridiculous 12" move makes it easy to cover their rear and still assault, AV 13/5++ in cc along with 4HP is way too much to take on with just lucky rends and S10 laughs at our T4 models.
Some bad armour saves along with perils and vector strikes took out two Flyrants, rest was stuck on Flesh Hounds until Soul Grinders could mop up. After 5 turns I only had a Flyrant left, he had all four vehicles, Juglord, two hound units and a freshly spawned hound unit. 2-18 loss. My list is fun, but has too many holes. Like going second on a table with sparse terrain, and AV 13.

[doomarn]

May 15, 2015 7:42:32 GMT N.I.B. said:

Stealer Shock

Was a fun game with much slaughter on both sides, initially I was on a roll but it came down to I had no answer to the Soulgrinders. Their ridiculous 12" move makes it easy to cover their rear and still assault, AV 13/5++ in cc along with 4HP is way too much to take on with just lucky rends and S10 laughs at our T4 models.
Some bad armour saves along with perils and vector strikes took out two Flyrants, rest was stuck on Flesh Hounds until Soul Grinders could mop up. After 5 turns I only had a Flyrant left, he had all four vehicles, Juglord, two hound units and a freshly spawned hound unit. 2-18 loss. My list is fun, but has too many holes. Like going second on a table with sparse terrain, and AV 13.

Tnx for the game, we had some fun at that one. Grinders only have 6" move but otherwise you had it spot on. I kept their rear to the table edge until i had taken out some flyrants.

[N.I.B.]

Ah, confused them with the Maulerfiend move.

[N.I.B.]

I'm thinking about changing Raveners for more Shrikes, to minimize synapse issues;

Stealer Shock

Hive Fleet Detachement
Dakka Flyrants, Egrubs
Dakka Flyrants, Egrubs
Dakka Flyrants, Egrubs

Mucolid
Mucolid
Mucolid

5 Shrikes, Adrenal Glands, Toxin Sacs, Flesh Hooks. 1 Sword&Whip/Rending Claws, 4 Scything Talons/Rending Claws
5 Shrikes, Adrenal Glands, Toxin Sacs, Flesh Hooks. 1 Sword&Whip/Rending Claws, 4 Scything Talons/Rending Claws
8 Shrikes, Adrenal Glands, Toxin Sacs, Flesh Hooks. 3 Sword&Whip/Rending Claws, 5 Scything Talons/Rending Claws

Manufactorum Formation
5 Genestealers
5 Genestealers
5 Genestealers
5 Genestealers
5 Genestealers

1997 points

Prone to go second and be shot to hell Genestealers work as kind of a Venomthrope substitute, forcing the opponent to deal with them instead of distant Shrikes. Ah. It's probably pants.

[Jabberwocky]

I really like it but why not drop 1 sword shrike for venomthrope for turn 1 coverage? You're giving up first blood anyway if the opponent has any ignores cover with the stealers.

[N.I.B.]

Probably a good idea, but I really like the Sword Shrikes, they alway deliver. And I really like symmetry. Would hate to have one brood without a Bonesword. I think it's a shot build anyway, a Venomthrope probably couldn't make it competitive. Builds that MUST go first usually aren't.

[Jabberwocky]

Drop it from the big unit and remain symmetrical. I know the feeling, I do the same.

I don't think it's actually a bad build even in a competitive setting, unless they are tailoring for anti nid.

[N.I.B.]

From what I hear, the local big TO might allow double CAD and Aegis Defense Line + Comms for the next tournament. So I want to see what I can do with some tweaks of the pod spam build;

CAD
Tyrannocyte
Tyrannocyte
Tyrannocyte

Dakka Flyrant, Egrubs
Dakka Flyrant, Egrubs

Mucolid
3 Ripper Swarms

Dakkafex
Dakkafex
Dakkafex

CAD
Tyrannocyte
Tyrannocyte

Dakka Flyrant, Egrubs

Mucolid
Mucolid

Dakkafex
Dakkafex

1999 points

Ripper Swarm should be invisible behind ADL manning the Comms, only fearing Barrage, teleporting Dreadknights and infiltrated fast cc units. Well, fast Skimmers can also be an issue when going second. I dunno. At least it has a lot of podded Dakkafexes.

(please do not swear), as I write this I forgot I have no Zoans to keep the Dakkafexes shooting. Instinctive Behaviour is so restrictive, exactly like old 'Phase Out' special rule for Necrons. Oh well, back to the drawing board.

If I switch the Bastion for ADL with an old version, I get this single CAD build;

Tyrannocyte
Tyrannocyte
Tyrannocyte
Tyrannocyte
Tyrannocyte
Tyrannocyte
Tyrannocyte

Dakka Flyrant, Egrubs
Dakka Flyrant, Egrubs

Venomthrope
Zoanthrope (pod)
Zoanthrope (pod)

3 Ripper Swarm, Deepstrike
10 Devilgants (pod)
10 Devilgants (pod)

Dakkafex (pod)
Dakkafex (pod)
Tyrannocyte, Egrubs (pod)

Sporefield Formation
Mucolid
Mucolid
Mucolid
3 Spore Mines
3 Spore Mines
3 Spore Mines

ADL with Comms

The Comms can be manned by any unit (except the ADL itself I assume?) so a spore or Ripper or Venom. Or all of them. Problems I've noticed with similar builds is that they have a lot of shooting, but an extreme lack of focus. Good lists can basically say,'ok that unit needs to die now' and make it happen. But Tyrannocytes can only shoot what's closest which usually means you'll whittle down enemy units but can't finish them off before they run away and hide. And if it's AV 13, well...

Another problem is that it's prone to be locked up in combat. Once a small unit of fearless Flesh Hounds charge a Dakkafex, well, that Fex isn't doing anything more that game.

AV13 Walkers are also a pain, as well as any S10 (Thunderwolves) or Instant Death cc character with good mobility. But it should have upside matchups vs Eldar of all kinds and marines.

Have some testing to do.

[Jabberwocky]

The pods can at least smash enemy walkers if they don't kill you first.

The double CAD list could just change up a dakka fex for a zoey brood. I don't see the ADL and comms listed in it though?

[N.I.B.]

I'm thinking about Lictorshame. What you could do if double CAD plus formations were allowed, at 2000 points;


Imperial Bastion, Comms relay

CAD
Dakka Flyrant, Egrubs
Dakka Flyrant, Egrubs

Lictor
Lictor
Lictor

3 Ripper Swarm, deepstrike
3 Ripper Swarm, deepstrike

Mawloc
Mawloc

CAD
Dakka Flyrant, Egrubs
Tyrant Guard, Adrenal Glands

Lictor
Lictor
Lictor

3 Ripper Swarm, deepstrike
3 Ripper Swarm, deepstrike

Mawloc
Mawloc

Sporefield Formation
Mucolid
Mucolid
Mucolid
3 Spore Mines
3 Spore Mines
3 Spore Mines

2000 points

I kind of like it.

[Kark]

Seems like a good counter against eldars. Maybe swap one lictor for venomthrope and You could start with one in the bastion and all tyrants could start with 2+ cover save. This should be effective against skyhammer formation.

Still this list will struggle against harvests.

[N.I.B.]

For 2+ save, Flyrants need to jink though. Better than being dead I suppose.

Yeah it doesn't have the grinding power to match Necrons or Demonkin.