Space Marines

[demoric]

So I have been playing Nids almost exclusively in 6th. I decided to bust out my old Space Marine army and played one game before the new codex came out and won. Now that the new codex is out I am building lists for my Space Marines and wanted some opinions.

In 5th edition I played many different lists but tended to use Master of the Forge with alot of mech and I also used Kantor/Sternguard. Now that I have to use chapter tactics I am torn between Iron Hands and Crimson Fists (Imperial Fists). Looking at my armies fluff both seems viable. (Army Model list / Fluff is located on my signature part of my posts)

Anyways for my first lists in 6th I am trying out an Iron Hands kinda build. (Please note: I will not be buying new models for awhile so I must use what I already own). I don't have alot of ways to deal with fliers and kinda go back and forth on a Devastator Squad with Flakk missles. However I have played against alot of fliers and have just learned to take the damage and go on.

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HQ
Master of the Forge, Power Axe, Servitor

TROOPS
10 Man Tactical Squad, Lascannon, Razorback Las/Plas
10 Man Tactical Squad, Lascannon, Razorback Las/Plas
10 Man Tactical Squad, Lascannon, Razorback Las/Plas
5 Man Tactical Squad, Plasma Cannon
5 Man Tactical Squad, Plasma Cannon

ELITES
Dreadnought, Venerable, 2x twin-linked autocannon
Dreadnought, Venerable, 2x twin-linked autocannon
Ironclad Dreadnought, 2x Hunter Killer Missles, Heavy Flamer, Drop Pod
FAST

HEAVY
Vindicator, Siege Shield
Vindicator, Siege Shield
Land Raider

[infornography]

Well with that list, I would choose Iron Hands. I think our razorbacks have gotten too pricey though and tac marines aren't the best place for las cannons.

Using what you have said, I would probably change up a couple things. Drop the razorbacks, take Rhinos instead, you can move the whole squad with those. I would probably take anti infantry weapons (flamers, plasma, grav, missile) instead of anti tank weapons (las, melta) on a unit in which the majority of models cannot appreciably harm vehicles with their shooting.

Free up enough points to instead take an allied detachment of imperial fists with a dev squad packing lascannons. You could make Pedro the HQ for that detachment and one unit of sternguard. This would reduce your need to depend on tac squads and give you a ton more firepower.

As for anti air, yeah, you would have to pretty much suck it up or just snap shoot at them with big guns. Or hope for some beneficial terrain. Ignoring flyers can work against some lists, but Cron Air and Heldrakes can ruin your day. I might consider dropping one or more dreads in favor of storm talons and/or consider replacing the land raider with a storm raven.

Speaking of the land raider, what is it's purpose? What is it transporting? If you are just using it as a heavy tank you are wasting a lot of it's potential.

Also why did you equip your Master of the Forge with a power axe? He will never benefit from it. He gets much better attacks from his servo harness and since 6th ed he can no longer swing the axe AND use the servo harness in close combat. If your model has an axe, you can keep using that model and explain to your opponent that he does not actually have one and even if he did he would never benefit from it in any way so it doesn't matter.

If you have an extra 100 points kicking around I would also recommend an aegis defense line with a quad gun to augment whatever else you have for anti air. It really is amongst the best bang for the anti air buck you can get.

[demoric]

The land raider is honestly a really huge distraction unit to draw fire away from the other mech units. I planned on having the MoF in it with the servitor for a total of +3 on repair rolls in conjunction with it will not die. As for the MoF himself I just used the axe for WYSIWYG purposes. I considered dropping it for a 3rd vindicator and then using the points elsewhere. Honestly MoF+Landraider is just playing around a bit to see if it works.

Originally I had assault terminators but wanted to try out the Iron Hands chap tactics. I will probably make a build list using the models I have for a Crimson Fists list and see how that goes too.

[humbletermagant]

Knowing What ModelS You Own Or Have Access To Would Help. UnlesS Of Course Thats Everything.

[WestRider]

At the point you're talking about buffing the Land Raider up to, I think it might backfire as a distraction Unit, especially given that the lack of cargo cuts way down on its threat potential. Seeing this across the table, I'd be much more likely to put my Anti-Tank firepower into the Vindicators and Dreads, since I'm more likely to kill them, AND they're more likely to kill me if left unmolested.

To work as a distraction/disruption Unit, the thing has to present enough of a threat that your Opponent can't afford to blow it off like that.

That out of the way, for this particular list, Iron Hands do look like the Chapter Tactic to go with, but I think Imperial Fists might suit your overall collection better. I still haven't had a chance to really test them out, but I feel like Imperial Fists Devastators are the only ones who can really make good use of Flakk Missiles, and Kantor+SternGuard is always a good time.