Harpy/Harrier Speculation Thread

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Harpy
Harpy will be able to be fitted for either anti-infantry, similar/same as it currently is, or AA. Possibilty for AA option would be a new gun, re-worked HVC or a special kind of VS. Initiative lowering ability gets totally re-worked to be non-CC focused.

Harrier
Seeing our bio-titans gain a transport biomorph makes me think we may see a similar thing make it's way into our codex. Tyranids getting a transport has long been a wonder and this would be a great way to squeeze it in. I'd guess 10-12 gaunt/stealer sized models or 4-5 Warrior sized capacity and has a rule to allow assault from disembarking like an assault transport.. Will have light Anti-Infantry capabilities and be a synalse creature or have it available as a biomorph.

Both could likely have increased durability as AA weapons leave them little chance of survival. 3+ wouldn't surprise me to give them a shot against all the s7 ap4 stuff.

This would allow a dual kit fof 3 different builds.

What do you think could happen?

[Jabberwocky]

I'd like to see a CC focused FMC, since that's how my harpies are already modelled. S6/7 Vector striking with dual ST for the assault. Maybe even assaulting from swoop mode.

Having an FMC transport would be interesting but then a lot of our models would need bulky added, unless the transport was purely for gargoyles/skyslashers or something like that.

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I doubt we'll see a new CC FMC with the Tyrant available for that role.

If we gain a transport FMC, I'd guess units it could transport like Warriors gaining the equivalent of Bulky.

[Squire]

Aug 5, 2013 9:37:12 GMT Jabberwocky said:

I'd like to see a CC focused FMC, since that's how my harpies are already modelled. S6/7 Vector striking with dual ST for the assault. Maybe even assaulting from swoop mode.

Having an FMC transport would be interesting but then a lot of our models would need bulky added, unless the transport was purely for gargoyles/skyslashers or something like that.

Assaulting from swoop would be fun, but a hive tyrant with dual scything talons, toxin sacs and implant attack can deal with almost anything it assaults. With decent anti air in the next codex the CC hive tyrant could make a comeback

FMC transport would be fun

[Jabberwocky]

Tyrants are very limited by cost and slot though, as well as being valuable as warlords.

I'd like something cheaper with uses more akin to carnifex and trygons.

Without paying for synapse, psychic powers, WS8, a combat FMC could easily be under 200 points even with T6. I'd even field T5 ones if we could get them under 150.

[Silegy]

Well, Ive heard only a tiny little, but harpy shoud still be anti-infantry focused FMC, while we get some new Fast Attack FMC to deal with Flyers.

[Raven]

We should get a supplemental codex with access to Gargoyles as troops and Shrikes as Elites, allowing you to field an entirely winged army with Flyrants, Harpies/Harriers, Gargoyles and Shrikes.

[Davor]

I think everything we herd so far is just wish listing. I don't think Tyranids will ever get transports. We are not Space Marines, and this is one of the things that make Tyranids unique amongst other races especially SM. All it will take is everyone to concentrate their fire power on a W4 mini and then all the units inside will just be as dead as the "Harrier". If GW made one, nobody would use it. It will be just like the Pyrovore, people will buy one mini to have, but nobody will field it. I can hear all the crying on how weak it is and dies too easily already. That is why we have spore, it's more fluffy. Just wish we had a rule where every unit can take a spore (not Mspore, just a spore) too D/S anywhere. Well maybe except GS, I don't ever recall them being D/S.

A dual Harpy kit? Yes. What the other choice will be? Who knows. Most likely the AA part of the Harpy.

[Hive Carnithrope]

Judging from the current trend, it will be a dual kit with a Harpy, the rumoured Harrier, and a unique creature, possibly. A different flying HQ would be cool, especially if it wasn't CC like the Tyrant.

[omnivore]

Personally I have only ever made 1 out of my 12 grounding tests thus far on my Tyrant. I am so disappointed with the FMC rules that I have largely given up. I suppose I might field an anti-air FMC though to counter all the awesome, armor 12, non groundable flyers my friends use

[coredump]

You have rolled 12 dice, and gotten 11 1's and 2's?? The problem is not with the rules....

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Davor, yeah we aren't SM but I don't think it'll matter with recent codices getting their first MCs despite them not being actual MCs at all.

As far as durability goes, having assault from disembark would solve that. Start behind cover or in terrain, fly over turn 2 or when it comes from reserves and immediately disembark. Unless you have bad luck or face a lot off AA it's likely to deliver the goods.

Another way to look at it would be Pods would be cheaper but less flexible, where-as the Harrier would be pricier but much more versatile. Being able to embark troops and fly them during battle would be a very useful tool.

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I suspect Harrier doing something besides just being the AA Harpy because that most likely means a weapon swap, which isn't enough to call it a different model. If that were the case then the current Termagant box is a tri-kit! With the way our kits go, the limbs can be swapped (not enough for separate unit), the head can be swapped (not sure how tgat would define its AA capability) or something new can be added to the model . . . Like a transpart Sac-thing. Not sure how much you can change on the model to make it really different. Unlike other races, our models have very rigid design features.

Btw, know this is all speculation. Hence the title!

[Davor]

Aug 5, 2013 15:21:11 GMT @60mm said:

Davor, yeah we aren't SM but I don't think it'll matter with recent codices getting their first MCs despite them not being actual MCs at all.

Fair point. I guess everyone wants to be Tyranids then.

The question I have is, if there is no model and the rumour is, no mini no rules for it, would that mean the harpy gets retonned out then? Hopefully there is a harpy, I just hope they have different guns, it's one of the reasons why I never scratch built one, because I hate the looks of those guns on the harpy.

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Well we can be 100% sure we're getting a flyer kit, as every codex so far has.

[Davor]

Aug 5, 2013 20:08:38 GMT @60mm said:

Well we can be 100% sure we're getting a flyer kit, as every codex so far has.

What did Chaos Daemons get That they already didn't have? Not shire if all 6th edition got a new flyer.