Gargoyle flame spurt

[hungryhormie]

Hey hive. I saw some where that in older editions that gargoyles had access to something called the flame spurt. I was wondering if this was, as I think it would be, a flamer. What it did, stat wise, and if it was worth it. On top of that, is it something the hive would like to see reincarnated in the next codex and why. Or if I'm just completely wrong let me know.

[WestRider]

I don't remember what it did as Flame Spurt. It was called Bio-Plasma in the previous codex, and it was basically an extra Attack in CC each Turn, at double Init and +1 Strength. I totally wouldn't mind having that back.

[kujwa]

i'd love to have that for the gargoyles. blinding venom is nice but since my dice are allergic to 6's it doesn't help much.

[Raven]

Jul 24, 2013 16:08:17 GMT WestRider said:

I don't remember what it did as Flame Spurt. It was called Bio-Plasma in the previous codex, and it was basically an extra Attack in CC each Turn, at double Init and +1 Strength. I totally wouldn't mind having that back.

Would you also like them to go back to being 12 points per model? I'm perfectly happy with Gargoyles the way they are (though Move Through Cover would be nice to have)

[WestRider]

In 4th Ed, they were fine at 12 Points per Model. At this point, with the way costs have come down, and how much deadlier firepower is, they should probably be 8 Points each or so with that ability.

And don't get me wrong, I do still love my Gargoyles, and am getting another box soon to bump me up to 40. But there are a few units out there that a bunch of I8 Attacks are really handy against.

[hungryhormie]

Thanx for all the feed back guys. I'm really new to the game and theese boards are really helping me get a grasp of it.

[gingerwerewolf]

Jul 24, 2013 12:51:26 GMT hungryhormie said:

Hey hive. I saw some where that in older editions that gargoyles had access to something called the flame spurt. I was wondering if this was, as I think it would be, a flamer. What it did, stat wise, and if it was worth it. On top of that, is it something the hive would like to see reincarnated in the next codex and why. Or if I'm just completely wrong let me know.

What you have seen there is 2nd edition Tyranids where Gargoyles made their first appearance. All Gargoyles had the Flamespurt weapon and it was resulved as a Str 4 Flamer (template) with a -1 Armour save. They were expensive back then, about 20 points per model, but remember when it went from 2nd edition to 3rd edition most points costs were halved.

Imagine having 20 of them now, all with Flamer Templates? It would be a nightmare! So I think they reduced this Flame Spurt to a Acid redux style attack instead, and with Flesh borers.

I used to love 1st edition Nids, its where I got into them! Hell I collected them in 1st edition because of Mind Slaves. They allowed me to field any models as Tyranids had a parasite that controlled the higher brain functions of anything they got inside. This is when there werent that many models for Tyranids, so they allowed you to take Chaos Space Marines, or Eldar Gardians or whatever at the appropriate points cost! I was gutted when 2nd edition took them away...

[Kwodd]

Jul 29, 2013 10:24:49 GMT gingerwerewolf said:

Jul 24, 2013 12:51:26 GMT hungryhormie said:

Hey hive. I saw some where that in older editions that gargoyles had access to something called the flame spurt. I was wondering if this was, as I think it would be, a flamer. What it did, stat wise, and if it was worth it. On top of that, is it something the hive would like to see reincarnated in the next codex and why. Or if I'm just completely wrong let me know.

What you have seen there is 2nd edition Tyranids where Gargoyles made their first appearance. All Gargoyles had the Flamespurt weapon and it was resulved as a Str 4 Flamer (template) with a -1 Armour save. They were expensive back then, about 20 points per model, but remember when it went from 2nd edition to 3rd edition most points costs were halved.

Imagine having 20 of them now, all with Flamer Templates? It would be a nightmare! So I think they reduced this Flame Spurt to a Acid redux style attack instead, and with Flesh borers.

I used to love 1st edition Nids, its where I got into them! Hell I collected them in 1st edition because of Mind Slaves. They allowed me to field any models as Tyranids had a parasite that controlled the higher brain functions of anything they got inside. This is when there werent that many models for Tyranids, so they allowed you to take Chaos Space Marines, or Eldar Gardians or whatever at the appropriate points cost! I was gutted when 2nd edition took them away...

They tricked ya, this is the exact reason I haven't picked up any allies for my orks, though 7th edition isn't in the near future I could see the allies matrix thrown out. So that those who bought allies will be even more tempted to flesh their allied detachments into full armies.