Harpy or Carnifex?

[Uhtin]

Hello Hive!

Here I am with another question, I am going to buy a Carnifex kit and don´t know if I should convert a Harpy or go with the Carnifex.
Advice?

Thanks Hive

[Kwodd]

My vote is for carnifex, if gw has a plastic kit for the harpy your conversion will be useless when the model is realeased. If gw doesn't have a harpy kit I could see the rules disappearing from the next codex. Either way the fex WILL make a comeback soon and IMO is still a stronger rule set than the harpy.

[t⊗theark]

Carnifex. I'm not quite sure ehat the harpy has over the carnifex other the flying part. The thing is that a harpy can be wiped in a turn by bolter fire (It could be assumed that people should be able to keep it out of this situation but even when hitting on 6's, toughness 5 is a bane) and with tau rail weaponry getting easy access to skyfire you'll find it out of the sky before you can say 'holy instadeath batman". I guess it can really poop out the anti infantry but so can a lot of things and the hivetyrant makes a more useful FMC anyways. The carnifex (either stone crusher or dakka variety) can at least make some impact on the field, that many strength 6 shot mowing down infantry and glancing down light armour with ease, it pretty versatile. It also can't get instadeathed very easily.

[infornography]

Totally the Carnifex. New codex is likely to give it a significant buff, it is a great looking model, and Harpies are terrible currently. If they get good rules in the new codex they will also get a new kit. It is just pointless to kitbash one right now.

[Squire]

It's a shame about the harpy, it could have been such a fun unit. A flying MC swooping around the map dropping large blasts on infantry- it sounds like it could be a laugh.

I'd love to see a viable winged tyranid army list option in the next codex. A special FOC option that allows gargoyle troops and harpies as heavy support so you aren't having to choose between harpies and shrikes in the FA slots. Maybe even shrikes as elites to give flying rippers some space. It would be fluffy and so much fun to play with

[Bot]

You know, normally I would say that it depends on your list... But unless your list is about having a lot of Flying Monstrous Creatures in the air, you should go for the Carnifex. The Carnifex is also a terrible unit unless you give it two twin devours, but at least the carnifex has an easier time fulfilling its role... Hopefully, both units will be made better in the next codex... But you can never know for sure.

Jul 15, 2013 7:55:16 GMT Kwodd said:

My vote is for carnifex, if gw has a plastic kit for the harpy your conversion will be useless when the model is realeased.

What? If games workshop finally released a model, he would still be able to use his conversion.

[infornography]

The point of that I think is that we currently have very little idea what a harpy kit would look like, dimensions and such are entirely anyone's guess. When a harpy kit comes out it is possible if not likely that kitbashes using C-Fex are going to be SO off base that people would be less than happy about playing against them.

My slightly diminutive tervigons are bad enough.

[innocent]

Jul 15, 2013 12:16:03 GMT Bot said:

What? If games workshop finally released a model, he would still be able to use his conversion.

Kwodd and Info were referring to the Tervigon debacle I think, when GW released a model that was 3 times bigger than the Carnifex kit most people had based their Tervigon conversions of for the best part of 2 years. It was ok for a few months, but it would raise a few eyebrows now outside of a group of friends, and might not be accepted in tourneys.

I vote Carnifex too.

[coredump]

Grab some magnets and you can have both....

[Kwodd]

Jul 15, 2013 15:40:58 GMT innocent said:

Jul 15, 2013 12:16:03 GMT Bot said:

What? If games workshop finally released a model, he would still be able to use his conversion.

Kwodd and Info were referring to the Tervigon debacle I think, when GW released a model that was 3 times bigger than the Carnifex kit most people had based their Tervigon conversions of for the best part of 2 years. It was ok for a few months, but it would raise a few eyebrows now outside of a group of friends, and might not be accepted in tourneys.

I vote Carnifex too.

Exactly what I'm talking about, it would take a second bashing at least to get it to match up, tervigon conversions were way off for most people and I'm just assuming it will be the same for all those herpies out there.

[t⊗theark]

Jul 15, 2013 17:27:54 GMT Kwodd said:

Jul 15, 2013 15:40:58 GMT innocent said:

Kwodd and Info were referring to the Tervigon debacle I think, when GW released a model that was 3 times bigger than the Carnifex kit most people had based their Tervigon conversions of for the best part of 2 years. It was ok for a few months, but it would raise a few eyebrows now outside of a group of friends, and might not be accepted in tourneys.

I vote Carnifex too.

Exactly what I'm talking about, it would take a second bashing at least to get it to match up, tervigon conversions were way off for most people and I'm just assuming it will be the same for all those herpies out there.

Mmmmmm, herpes....

Anyway, I actually hope that it does get a model as the concept sounds cool, however, I do not want to end up with that situation where the consesions looked far better than the official model, like with the Tervigon debacle

[glassiya]

Harpy is more like Trygon in size than Carni, so this kind of conversion would be obviously not very nice.

[dakkathrope]

I presonally solved the problem by making my harpy on a 60mm base and having the necessary parts available so that I can always make it into a flyrant if the harpy kit, if one ever shows up, is significantly different.

[Jabberwocky]

I will be seriously disappointed but not surprised if the harpy ends up being Trygon sized (though hopefully with beefed up rules), though mine are both made from carnifex kits.

In apoc (or just large games) I can happily run them as Flyrants anyway so I'm not too fussed.