New units or redone models?

[cibissum]

After thinking about the rumors for new creatures for us, as well as how things have gone so far with other books a thought occurred to me. Personally, I would rather they spend time redoing sculpts on models that could use it or need weapons included instead of making a brand new model outright with shiny new fluff. However, how does everyone else feel?

Having a flyer option is pretty important with 6th so I understand adding those to armies, but honestly what did adding a Wraithknight really do for Eldar that the smaller Wraightlord couldn't? Do we need another monstrous creature when our poor carnifex is stuck in a place where it is nothing but a holster for devourers? Instead, what about new sprues for warriors that includes boneswords (an option they've had forever I'm pretty sure) or wings? To be fair, I feel that most of the Tyranid models look great and for the most part updates would merely be to add weapons and wings to things that can take them but don't have the option.

Despite being the same unit as before, didn't the new plastic Hive Tyrant box with wings get people to open their wallets? Or did most of the old guard of Tyranid players thing "neat" but kept their old ones?

[infornography]

Warriors need it. A warrior/shrike/prime kit would be wonderful.

I would love to see the monstrous creature weapons sprue see some changes, maybe add a new anti air gun to it. Some friggin devourers.

But Harpies need a new kit. We could also use an anti air flyer that isn't an HQ pick.

We need a mycetic spore kit, possibly make a new terrain unit that can be constructed from the same kit or a spore that is more of a dedicated offensive unit instead of primarily a transport.

Doom and Parasite need kits. Probably finecrap, but they need it all the same.

And something I would like to see, but do not at all expect is a guard kit. Plastic kit that makes hive guard and tyrant guard. People run enough of each to warrant it, but again, have no expectation of seeing it. Maybe something similar with pyrovores and biovores that would give GW an opportunity to update the look of the biovore.

[herecomestomorrow]

Given the amount of units that need kits, I can't see them allocating resources to units that already have them.

On average armies get about 5 or 6 new kits with a book, so pods, Doom, Parasite, harpy and prime pretty much monopolise any new model slots.

So we'll likely get them and a brand new unit. Likely a big gribbly. I'm expecting both the new kit and harpy to be a duel kit.

Having said that, I don't expect the Prime to be in the next book. It always felt like a lazy addition. I wouldn't be surprised if it got replaced with a new Warrior sized unit that will be duel kitted with shrikes. Kind of like Lychguard/Praetorians got an elite footslogger unit and jump infantry in one box.

[Davor]

I was going to say new units, but I after what the OP said, he made sense so I think fix our existing units first.

[revx]

i think the biggest issue is add all the biomorphs into the kits for each MC and make the shrike/prime/warrior kit (with BS and LW).

harpy needs a model! (and new rules but there are 1000 threads on that) i dont really care if they produce a dom model or not. i would love if they made old one eye good and gave him his own kit like back in the day. instead of using the one different head in the fex kit, make him bigger and meaner looking; maybe half way between the current fex and terv size but keep the basic look of a fex.

[cibissum]

Yeah, my reasoning is that for armies with a long pedigree like Tyranids, there aren't many niches left to fill that simply wouldn't be stealing from someone else. We have 3 troops alone that focus almost exclusively on hand to hand combat and can make our warriors a forth. However, at the moment there can be room for that between the semi-elite shock troops (genestealers), weight of numbers (hormagaunts) and mindless bodies (rippers). The effectiveness of each at that role is debatable as rules change, but it's obvious what the initial intent was.

GW, being a for profit company, obviously wants to sell models and making a brand new shiny thing does seem to be the most logical way of getting old players with existing armies to keep buying. But with how the new (oh so sexy) broadside kits that came out for Tau, I wondered how interested people would be in buying a newer, better sculpt/box of a unit they already own. I personally already owned 6 kits to make the old broadsides but I scrapped that idea once I saw the new ones. And with many Tyranids I'd likely do the same if the newer boxes were better. But my own foolish spending of money is hardly a good way to judge how other people think.

[Squire]

Ideally they'd make an extra sprue in the warrior box with shrike wings, three pairs of boneswords and three lash whips. Create models for the units that don't have them (the mycetic spore and harpy being the main ones I'd like to see) and then perhaps Forgeworld can make a pair of arms for the flyrant which branch out into two forearms at the elbow, both holding devourers. Can't see it happening but it would be good.

I'm not really bothered about new units in the next codex and would be more than happy to see a better version of the 5th edition codex but with everything being viable.

[Kwodd]

Hive/ tyrant guard plastic kit.

[t⊗theark]

Jul 10, 2013 11:04:45 GMT infornography said:

And something I would like to see, but do not at all expect is a guard kit. Plastic kit that makes hive guard and tyrant guard. People run enough of each to warrant it, but again, have no expectation of seeing it. Maybe something similar with pyrovores and biovores that would give GW an opportunity to update the look of the biovore.

I see the potential for this sort of duel kitting as well, look at the necrons release - they're plagues with it.

[biomassbob]

There is enough critters that need models or biomorphs (warrior wings) that new units aren't needed. Lots of new kits for GW to sell.

[infornography]

Thing is, new kits does not equal new models. We need new kits, lots of them, for existing units.

[biomassbob]

Agree. We do need new kits for some existing models but also kits for critters that have no model. That gives GW lots to play with and sell without adding another new critter to the dex. The last dex went overboard adding new units, some of which were pointless, sidelining other units that should have been doing the same role, or just badly handled by Cruddace and the gang. Now its time to spend the effort on making the army work together more effectively/efficiently on the tabletop, with all units having roles (some multiple obviously), and to fix older kits that need better molding or are missing parts (warriors) and providing models for things like the harpy, spore pod or parasite. GW should be able to make lots of moeny of said kits rather than adding another unneeded critter.

[Kwodd]

Jul 12, 2013 3:44:24 GMT infornography said:

Thing is, new kits does not equal new models. We need new kits, lots of them, for existing units.

I am extremely satisfied with the hive tyrant kit, though it had some new pieces I'd still consider it an updated kit instead of a new model.

[Hive Bahamut]

I still have a sneaky suspicion that they will just plug the hole with some giant MC, and a shiny new flier to match the Tervi/Tyranno kit, (I bet they think they are selling Tyrannos like hot cakes...) forget about Midzilla entirely, and leave all the puds alone, while swapping fleshborers to spinefists again or something dumb, while releasing spike rifles.

We don't need any NEW creatures when our codex is littered with holes and missing sprue options. I don't even care about Spores, Doom,Harpy anymore as I'm sure EVERYONE of us already bought/converted up a few, and at its current price tag the Harpy is a joke. 20 more points gets you a Crimson Hunter, and any of the other fliers (even the (please do not swear) Nephalim will drop it,) for less points when all the Harpy can do is hurt infantry (pointless, Biovores do it better,) and don't die horrendously to a 100 point Aegis with a Quad Gun.

Unfortunately the longer we wait the more I expect I will want to sell my beloved Nids. I am a dedicated Nids player but if I see half the things people wish list (not just this site mind you,) and we get Ward or something stupid I'm sure our Genestealers Magus will be toting lascannons out of their chimera screaming "For the Emprah.. Hive Mind! I will gladly melt them into biomass then..

[herecomestomorrow]

Thing is, what's to say the holes in the book will still be present?

Like I said, I don't see the Prime making it into the new book. There's a decent chance spike rifles will be skipped, Warriors will go back to Elites with wing option etc.

At lot of the "holes" felt like padding, many of which I think will be cut in the new book.

Additionally, GW won't want to release sets people won't buy. So Warriors got a new set with wing? Great. I have 20 already, I'm not going to buy more. They want to release new kits because then people starting the army AND people with existing armies need to buy them.

If you want an example of how unwilling GW are to re-release stuff, tell me where the plastic Greater Daemons and Eldar Aspect warrior kits are?