Help with CC nid army

[forkmanguy]

I havnt played in months I know almost nothing about 6th edition ... I played my friends alot not anything big like a turny I mostly play againt IG an want to make an all CC army cuz CC is the only reason I love nids an wanted some suggestions on how to be effective with it thanks !

Ps I have about a 2000 point army

[zoat]

Welcome to the Hive, but I'm afraid I have no good news for you. CC was weakened in 6th due to random charge ranges and Overwatch (that one hit genestealers and hormagaunts significantly).
In 6th the big deal are flyers that are very hard to hit and monstrous creatures with some cool new special rules like Hammer of Wrath and Smash. The trend for us nids is that flying Hive Tyrants and Tervigons are A++ and genestealers, hormagaunts, warriors and many other cool units are just for fun and fluff games now.

To make it short: If you want to win against your IG friend with CC use Flyrants and Tervigons with the new cool psychic powers (you will love Iron Arm as everyone else on this forum does), use cover while approaching(easy to get for MCs in 6th) and smash into them.
Other useful CC units will be: Ymgarl-stealers, Trygons, the Swarmlord, Gargoyles and Raveners.

Maybe you want to post a list in the subforum Tyranid Army Lists or list up your units so we can help you better on this one.

[Kwodd]

If you're going for a cc army, swarmy all the way, give him a tyrant guard with lash whip and put prime in the squad. Termagaunts being babysat by a tervigon with adr and toxin is solid in cc as well with the removal of no retreat.

[forkmanguy]

Well say id be useing 5 edition rules ?

[Kwodd]

Jul 5, 2013 23:22:07 GMT forkmanguy said:

Well say id be useing 5 edition rules ?

If you're using 5th Ed rules spam genestealers. I have to say though assault took a hit 6th Ed I think the rule set is leagues better than 5th.

[ranmafan]

There is still a way to use a CC army, but you'll need a balanced-army approach. The new meta for CC armies as I've found (In my case) is that speed is everything. Tying down the opponent units as soon as possible is the KEY to getting your real heavy-punchers into the fight alive. For that reason, Gargoyles and FMCs are king.

Meatshields - Termagants, Gargoyles. LOTS of them. Gants as scoring units/tervigon tax.
Gargoyles are a MUST HAVE as fast cover-save models and first-in tarpits. Run them naked most of the time, but Toxin Sacs are good if you have the points. Their Blinding Venom means enough of them could even whittle away a Wraithknight before your CC units get there.

Synapse - Tervigon: As a troop choice, to produce more scoring units, act as a scoring units, provide backfield/midfield synapse and buffs.
Winged Dakka Tyrants: To keep up with the fast-attack choices, reasonable light antitank fire/excellent anti-infantry fire and provide a fire magnet/old adversary buff. Also your only means of anti-air in an otherwise CC-heavy list.
Shrikes - Deadly, fast, Fearless/Synapse, Shadow in the Warp, and can take Toxin Sacs. With boneswords and/or lash whips, Elite killers bar none.
Trygon-primes: Because nothing flips the opponent the bird like a fearless giant S6 T6 W6 fleet MC with A6 base that can pump out 12 S6 shots, and THEN smash into the opponent and give their psykers a headache.

CC units - Genestealers (naturally) as both scoring and infiltrators, work in tandem with gants and gargoyles. Better as Broodlord delivery systems, as any given Toxin Sac/Scytal Biomancy Broodlord can ruin anybody's day.
Raveners: these are vicious in 6th ed since few models can traverse terrain as quickly as they do. With rending claws, the sheer volume of potential rending attacks they can put out makes them as big a threat as Genestealers, or moreso because of their speed and attack volume.
Ymgarls: No-brainer choice. Can appear from Dormancy, attack on the turn they arrive, have Rending and can mutate their stats when necessary. The quintessential Tyranid Bogeyman.

Heavy Support - Biovores and Trygons. Trygons because they're big, tough, fast, scary buggers perfect for anti-everything-that-isn't-a-flyer-or-force-weapon-user (AND you can also take them as Trygon Primes for Synapse). with S6 shooting they *could* glance flyers to death if they get lucky. Biovores for ranged support fire, Heavy-weapon sniping (remember the Barrage rules!) and Pinning. Pinned units are much more vulnerable to assault charges.

You'll need to figure out your points and preferences, but those are my recommendations. Hormagants are useless because they cost the same as Gargoyles, have *almost* the same statline, and their Toxin Sacs are expensive and aren't as fast. Meaning they'll get chewed up long before they reach anyone.

I've got three 1000/1750 point lists - one for 'Snakes' (Ravener/Trygon), one Genestealer and one Shrikes. Feel free to ask if you want some ideas.

[Davor]

Don't forget those RIPPERS. Remember you can only Overwatch ONCE. So send in the Rippers (or anyone else, maybe 2 groups of smaller Stealer broods instead of one big one. Put them side by side so they look like one bigger brood you would have in the begining, but in fact are 2 instead of one. Of course your opponent will know this but now he will have to think, or forget they are 2 smaller broods) first, most times, they will be overmatched, then send in the Stealers, which CAN'T be overwatched then. Or if the Rippers are not Overwatched so the Stealers will be, then the Rippers are free to wreak havok as well.

6th edition just means we have to think a bit more, plan a bit more.

[ranmafan]

Ah yes. I forgot to mention that. Gants and Gargoyles make for very good overwatch sponges. Rippers are nice, but they're slow and not scoring. For a CC army unless you do it pure Rippers (54 bases, anyone?), it's very hard IMO to make them work.

[Davor]

Forgot about Gargoyles being good soak up sponges as well.

[forkmanguy]

Did not know u can only overwhatch 1 time ... I should prob get the new rule book but I may be playing soon, ill prob be playing against Black templars soon im dying to play
I have as followed theses models ...

2 HT both non winged
3 tyrant guard
6 warroirs
21 stealers
46 termagaunts.
18 hormagaunts maby more
5 ripper bases
4 fexes really love fex .....
1 trygon or can be used as maloc
3 revanors
1 broodlord
1 boivore

Thats pretty much it

[gigasnail]

the unit being assaulted can only overwatch once. it's a fine point to make but don't get confused.

[Davor]

Just be carefull if playing agaisnt Tau. They have some rule that is a Super Overwatch rule. They can Overwatch any unit with 6" that is being assaulted from another squad. So you can be infact be overwatch 2, 3 or more times. Still only once but that is pretty powerfull. Hopefully this will only be a Tau rule and nobody else gets it.

[forkmanguy]

Thats op ... I like tau but the idea of tau, just sitting back an whatching ur guns do all the work is boring ... Infact its really boring

[coredump]

Yeah.... Tau is the new big bad codex....

[Kwodd]

Tau wrecks flyrants.