Mawloc or Trygon?

[coredump]

May 7, 2013 23:28:49 GMT gman25639 said:

I read a battle report once where a guy won a tournament using 2 Mawlocs and a Trygon Prime, so they can be useful if you use them right. Mawlocs destroy infantry blobs.

I once had 7 termagants shoot and kill 4 terminators. So termagants can be useful as terminator killers....

[gigasnail]

mawlocs don't destroy much of anything. you get cover saves from TFtD. you hit some guys and they take their cover save and you kill one or two doods, who then shoot the hell out of the mawloc and assault it because it's utterly not scary in any way. good generals don't leave units hanging out in the open just whistling dixie. soon as he sees your list with doom or mawlocs he knows not to cluster up. it's common sense.

[gman25639]

Which is why you also use genestealers outflanking along with doom and mawlocs, he will have 2 options, either spread out and be closer to edges where genestealers come in, or move towards the center to avoid them and get wiped out by mawlocs and doom.

[infornography]

except that genestealers are not scary in 6th ed and no longer drive people toward the middle. 6th edition nerfed Genestealers HARD. They can't assault the turn they outflank anymore so people just shoot them dead on their turn after they arrive. Genestealers die very quickly to shooting and even if they don't, your enemy can just move out of assault range after the stealers arrive. Also Fleet no longer works.

You really need to get a 6th Edition rulebook man.

[gigasnail]

lol, dude seriously you need to play some 6th. you really have no idea man.

[gman25639]

I heard fleet got changed. What does it mean now?

[scrotatohead]

May 8, 2013 15:18:26 GMT gman25639 said:

I heard fleet got changed. What does it mean now?

You should probably explore that in your rule book. It's fairly detailed but clearly written.

[ranmafan]

Check out Ebay - you can get a mini rulebook for a pretty decent price.

[coredump]

Dude, you can buy one on ebay for like $20.

[warfrogger]

I made the mistake of getting the full rulebook. It's too big to be functional. Yeah its an interesting read and full of pretty pictures and pull out pages but after lugging that thing around I decided to download a PDF of it, throw it on my tablet and use that. Really easy to navigate if you use a PDF reader that supports bookmarks.

[Davor]

Trygon Prime.

[gman25639]

Davon, that is ironic considering your avatar is a Mawloc

[innocent]

I tried a pair of Mawloc last week for laughs and giggles. I also took Doom, 2*8 Ymgarls and Deep Striked a Tyrant. I was experimenting with a turn2 Assault list.

Verdict: the first Mawloc scattered on impassable terrain and mishapped. Back in Reserves. The Tyrant mishaped, back in Reserves. The second Mawloc got a direct hit and killed 4 missile launchers. The following turn, one Mawloc buries, the other one aims for a juicy Assault Marine squad, and misses completely. It gets assaulted the next turn, stuck in combat (failed his init test for Hit and Run), and eventually died. The other Mawloc went for another blast, in the middle of the enemy lines this time in hope of hitting SOMETHING, but still missed. He got shot to death in the following turn.

Sick of mishapping, the Tyrant came back from my side of the board and harrassed the Helldrake and Vendetta.

While killing 4 Missile Devastators outright was incredibly satisfying, I think you can see how random they are. 2 Mawlocs to take out 4 missiles is not optimised. I know this is anecdotal evidence, but I'm sure others will have had the same experiences (this is not the first time I try one by the way, it always scatters badly). If you've managed to consistently kill things with the Mawloc in every game please let us know

Doom did jack all. One squad passed their ld test, the other went to ground behind an Aegis for a 2+ save (he had Guard and issued an order that gave him +1 cover or something like that). Knowing I'd lose him next turn I attempted to Cataclysm at strength 4 on the Assault Marine. The blast scattered and injured Doom's Pod lol. I really don't know what the fuss is with him, does everyone else play on wasteland terrain and ban Aegis Lines or something? ...

[gigasnail]

you generally put the doom on the other side of the aegis, so they get no cover from it. this is easier or harder to do depending on nearby area terrain/ruins. the doom is a crapshoot, what makes him worthwhile is the cost.

[coredump]

and if you can't put him on the other side of the aegis, you find different targets, ones without a 2+ save.