Psyker Hell 2k pt. (1999) All Comer List

[darkersavant]

The idea for this army came to me when my co-worker said I couldn't beat his Orks. I am a fairly new player to warhammer but not strategy. He is known to throw the Green Sea as well as a very mechanized ork army. I wanted a list that could deal with both a shooty heavy and numbers heavy. Also not just orks but all armies.

I decided I could roll for psyker powers on either biomancy (nomnom) for mech heavy and telepathy (control) for numbers heavy. The tervigons are excellent for swarms as well as increasing survivability of genestealers with catalyst. Also they are really good at munching open mechs with biomancy and claws (smash) and with the acid blood they should easily make up the points with that alone at 6 wounds. The Biovores are for whittling down long range shooters and the guard are for taking out heavies.

I am thinking to infil the genes and tie up key units while causing heavy casualties due to the high initiative, great WS, rerolls to wound against most infantry with toxin sacs as well as the psyker powers. This would give time to spawn multiple turns worth of termies safely while walking everything else up to bring to bear upon the remaining units. Of course whether I have them infil or flank will depend on the opponents list. (I admit I am unsure which would be better because giving the opponent time to pepper my tervigons while waiting for deepstrike sort of makes me cringe.)

Any advice would be appreciated.


Psyker Hell (1999pts)
2000pt Tyranids


HQ (450pts)

Tervigon (225pts) (Codex: Tyranids p87)
Acid Blood, Cluster Spines, Crushing Claws, Toxin Sacs
Psychic Powers
Catalyst, Dominion or Biomancy

Tervigon (225pts) (Codex: Tyranids p87)
Acid Blood, Cluster Spines, Crushing Claws, Toxin Sacs
Psychic Powers
Catalyst, Dominion or Biomancy


Elites (150pts)

Hive Guard Brood (150pts) (Codex: Tyranids p88)
3x Hive Guard (150pts)


Troops (1264pts)

Genestealer Brood (318pts) (Codex: Tyranids p90)
Broodlord (63pts)
Toxin Sacs
Psychic Powers
Biomany, or Telepathy
15x Genestealer (255pts)
15x Rending Claws, 15x Toxin Sacs

Genestealer Brood (318pts) (Codex: Tyranids p90)
Broodlord (63pts)
Toxin Sacs
Psychic Powers
Biomany, or Telepathy
15x Genestealer (255pts)
15x Rending Claws, 15x Toxin Sacs

Genestealer Brood (318pts) (Codex: Tyranids p90)
Broodlord (63pts)
Toxin Sacs
Psychic Powers
Biomany, or Telepathy
15x Genestealer (255pts)
15x Rending Claws, 15x Toxin Sacs

Termagant Brood (85pts) (Codex: Tyranids p91)
17x Termagant (85pts)

Tervigon (225pts) (Codex: Tyranids p87)
Acid Blood, Cluster Spines, Crushing Claws, Toxin Sacs
Psychic Powers
Catalyst, Dominion or Biomancy


Heavy Support (135pts)

Biovore Brood (135pts) (Codex: Tyranids p94)
3x Biovore (135pts)

[darkersavant]

I apologize I didn't realize the builder I use lists the biomorphs cost. I can go through an delete them if I need too. It has been awhile since I read the rules and I just went and read them. D'oh!

edit: I think I got it kosher now.

[gigasnail]

you don't have to list all the unit options; makes your list hard to read. just list what options you bought for them. i.e. instead of listing:

Tervigon
Brood Progenitor, Psyker, Shadow in the Warp, Spawn Termagants, Synapse Creature
Acid Blood, Bonded Exoskeleton, Claws and Teeth, Cluster Spines, Crushing Claws, Toxin Sacs
Psychic Powers
Catalyst, Dominion

you can just type:

tervigon, acid blood, cluster spines, toxic sacks, crushing claws, +1 power

because those are the paid for options; everyone generally knows the basic wargear/biomorphs.

genestealers heavy lists got somewhat of a kick in the teeth this edition, but then, so did orks in some ways. infiltrating multiple units applies early pressure, this is the good news. the bad news is that orks are a lot cheaper than stealers and can have 30 in a blob; at 2k they can put a *lot* of bodies on the table and they're fearless in groups of more than 10 (in general). you do not want to get shot then charged by them; much less at close range with loota support. i don't know that i would recommend genestealers really. have fun dealing with battlewagons and deff rollas with those close-range stealers.

acid blood generally not a good investment; you don't want your tervigons stuck in combat with cheap and nasty ork boyz with power claw nobz.

biovores good, and are really good for dismounted orks. HG always good.


at any rate, see how it does, get back with us.

[darkersavant]

I'll keep that in mind the next time I post a list. The army builder I use lists everything which is nice.

I was thinking about the acid blood a great deal. He loves to field nobs and Killa canz sometimes all his heavy support is taken up by 9 of them. And with two wounds each, one tervigons can potentially take out all nine. Also just from a math perspective even if it ends up killing boyz as cheap as they are that's 36 points killed from a 15 point investment but I'll reconsider. Probably better to take adrenal glands instead.

If he fields 6 troop choices of 30 boyz I was thinking the Telepathy would help tons to either remove there fearless and cause a moral check or cause a leader check every action. My math hammer shows that if I get the assault I will wipe out most of a unit in the first round and if I get assaulted after being volleyed I will clean that unit up in the 2nd round due to the high initiative and toxin sacs. This is assuming no Telepathy powers help me. With Telepathy powers my odds of success go up greatly due to the force multiplier.

The biggest concern I have is will I be able to get the rest of the forces into combat before the genestealers go down. That's a large investment of my points. I am counting on the 500-800 pts of extra termies to help pull the win. So having the genestealers outflank might be better than infiltrating to give my main force a couple rounds to move up before they make their appearance from reserve. To solve this I was considering dropping a Genestealer brood to take a hive tyrant with commander and outflank a tervigon with the other two genestealer broods.

Would it be better to field 2 broods of Ymgarl stealers for the early pressure in combination with the standard stealers to follow up?


As for the battlewagons and deff rollas, I am under the impression I can kill those easily with Genestealers? I am not sure if that was sarcasm or NOMNOM encouragement hehe.

I am determined to beat his Orks the first go. I know its a long shot due to my lack of experience. Thanks for the advice. I will get back to you with an After action report. I Might not be until Monday that I get to give this a go.

Any additional advice is appreciated.

[gigasnail]

if the wagon tank shocks you, you're taking the deffrolla hits no if ands or buts about it. if you can get to the wagons and assault them sure you'll kill them. you're talking about infiltrating the stealers; that's pretty likely to get them tank shocked turn 1.

if you get your stealers into combat intact, yes they're bloody murder still. however, you're looking at enduring 1 (if you go 2nd and get extremely lucky with positioning) turn of shooting and most likely at least 2, then overwatch, then random charge distance. it's not something i'd count on.

ygrmls are nearly always better. it forces the opponent to consider his deployment and makes him try to 2nd guess you. the ability to assault out of reserves is priceless.

also, if you are wanting an all-comers list like you have stated in the OP, you have no ability whatsoever to deal with flyers and your only anti armor is CC and a single unit of HG.

[darkersavant]

Hmm good points. Thanks for that. Gave me something to consider at work today. I'll get back with adjustments. Thanks again.

[darkersavant]

Revised my list. Saved the pie plate duty for the Biovores. Let the Tervigons shoot direct attacks, as well as overwatch with Stinger Salvo. The Yrmgarl stealers will get to assault upon appearing and are a little more adaptable to the situations as needed so more likely to make up their points and then some. Decided on a Juggernaut Swarmlord using biomancy x4 at Psyker level 2, and catalyst from Tervigon. I am still unsure if this can deal with a Green Tide scenario.

I will try both lists against him.

Alternate Hell (1995pts)


HQ (490pts)
Tervigon (210pts) (Codex: Tyranids p87)
Crushing Claws, Stinger Salvo, Toxin Sacs
Psychic Powers
Catalyst +1 power

The Swarmlord (280pts) (Codex: Tyranids p86)
Tyrant Guard Brood (195pts) (Codex: Tyranids p86)
Tyrant Guard x3 (195pts)
Lash Whip

Elites (610pts)

Hive Guard Brood (150pts) (Codex: Tyranids p88)
3x Hive Guard (150pts)

Ymgarl Genestealer Brood (230pts) (Codex: Tyranids p89)
10x Ymgarl Genestealer (230pts)

Ymgarl Genestealer Brood (230pts) (Codex: Tyranids p89)
10x Ymgarl Genestealer (230pts)


Troops (520pts)

Termagant Brood (50pts) (Codex: Tyranids p91)
10x Termagant (50pts)
Fleshborer

Termagant Brood (50pts) (Codex: Tyranids p91)
10x Termagant (50pts)
Fleshborer

Tervigon (210pts) (Codex: Tyranids p87)
Crushing Claws, Stinger Salvo, Toxin Sacs
Psychic Powers
Catalyst +1 power

Tervigon (210pts) (Codex: Tyranids p87)
Crushing Claws, Stinger Salvo, Toxin Sacs
Psychic Powers
Catalyst +1 power


Heavy Support (180pts)

Biovore Brood (90pts) (Codex: Tyranids p94)
2x Biovore (90pts)

Biovore Brood (90pts) (Codex: Tyranids p94)
2x Biovore (90pts)

[megadeth321]

The setup of your list are quite terrible, I know you use the army builder but it's confusing. Well, not confusing as such, but really annoying to figure out the actual units. Also, there's really no need to say the Swarmlord's psychic mastery level as we know, and the page numbers... why?

I'd rather have a Trygon instead of a brood of Biovores, I find it to be more useful as it acts as a distraction if it deep strikes and has a decent shooting attack if upgraded to a prime. Also, I find it lasts pretty well unless the enemy focus entirely which is a bad idea with this list bearing in mind there're three Tervigons. I usually don't field a HQ Tervigon, I prefer to have a Flyrant with 2 TL Devourers which isn't bad against light armour and infantry units.