1850 pts Tyranid army

[notthatguyagain]

Hey there fellow hivemind!

i'v recently decided to join the ranks of the swarm.
And i wanted it to be a bouldering deathmachine like nothing else (Oh, and before i forget! The reason its 1850 pts is because all the guys i play with can match that amount, can add more points later).

but i digress.



Now, i'v only read through the codex once, with some re-reading. So i'm looking for some input, but i want to keep that lumbering death machine feel. Here is how i picture it:

Mass Ripper swarms up front, painted to look like camouflage.

This makes it look like the ground is moving, because of the lumbering battle ram that is following behind.

At the same time, some decent firepower (and awesome melee) by the Carnifexes.

But the gem will be the paranoia of the Lictors and the (super awesome) Deathleaper.

+ the Mawloc is big distraction (kinda keeps the Lictors safe and stuff).

Love it? Hate it?

Why?

[gigasnail]

1850 is a good points range, lots of people play it. however, you may want to go back and re-read your codex and the BRB again, there are a few things you need to take into account when building a tyranid list.

- ripper swarms are bad. they die en mass to template weapons, and cannot hold objectives due to the rules for swarms. you have no troop choices able to hold objectives, which is nearly an auto-loose unless you somehow manage to table your opponent.

- deathleaper can have uses, esp. vs powerful psyckers. however he's sort of overcosted for what you get and eats a valuable elites slot.

- doom of malantai is an excellent unit, cheap and cheesy. however you have him walking on the board; which means he's going to eat missile to the face before he's ever useful. put him with a pod if you expect to ever use him. this way you can deepstrike him to wherever he'll cause the most mayhem before he eats the inevitable missile to the face.

- swarmlord is a beast, but when he's by himself he's not that good. give him one or two tyrant guard to soak the missiles he's going to eat. also, you have little to nothing in the list that will benefit from his aura buffs.

- no ranged anti tank. no hiveguard, no zoanthropes. no way to deal with flyers whatsoever.

-mawlocs are better than they used to be with easier reserve rolls and the rules for blasts, but they're still kind of bad.

- carnifex with X2 BL devours can be useful, if somewhat expensive. however the heavy venom cannon is horrible. it's expensive and difficult to actually destroy anything with (it gets -1 to the vehicle damage chart unless the target is open topped) and cannot hit flyers at all (it's a blast weapon).

- lictors also aren't very good, and are expensive/fragile for what you get.

basically you don't have any way to win 5/6 of the games you'll play (as they are based around holding objectives) and y ou dont' have enough firepower to actually table an opponent. check some of the other tyranid lists to get a little better of an idea of where to start. infornography's tactics post in the tactics thread is the best place to look.

not trying to sound harsh! nids take some getting used to, they are not like other armies and there is a bit of a learning curve to them. welcome to the forum, btw ~

[notthatguyagain]

Thank you!

[hivefleetsaphire]

no offense but this list will be crushed like a bug. the swarmlord is a nice HQ but hes too expensive in points and is really slow. deathleaper is a really fragile tyranid to take and is pretty much useless in most cases. doom of malan'tai is a really good unit but he needs a pod or hes just gonna die straight up. lictors CAN be good i personally like them a lot but a unit of 3 is just too expensive. ripper are pretty much useless and they cant capture objectives. carnifexs with heavy venom cannons aren't very good at all and are way too expensive for a unit of three. the mawloc is actually very good if there is two of them without upgrades they are great and with upgrades they are better but they are only good at popping up under infantry units so you're better off with a trygon. overall this list is not very good at all except for the doom and mawloc. i would change almost every thing.

[scrotatohead]

What sort of lists are you up against? How competitive are your friends/opponents? The object of any list is to provide you with what you want, be it victories or just a good time. There are certainly many lists and units that will outperform what you've got, but that doesn't mean it's going to make you happy.

[notthatguyagain]

We mostly just play for fun, i have no problems altering my army so its actually better. will revise and come back with a better one. Hopefully its fun AND good!!

Edit:



Hows this upgrade:P? (maybe gone a little to overboard on the Zoans?).

[gigasnail]

can you even put X2 guns + CC on a fex? pretty sure they work like a flyrant and the guns replace a set of arms.

and i'd go ygrmls/zoan or hg/zoan instead of zoan/zoan. however zoan/zoan could work, giving flexibility with buffing/enfeebling/codex powers as needed.