1850 Tyranids vs Orks

[nebraska172]

Hello all,

I am working on building a list, but as a new tyranid player I am unsure as to what to get next. I usually play Orks. Here is the 1850 point list my friend will be bringing next month when we play.

Warboss
-Power Klaw, Shoota Kombi, Cybork Body, 'eavy Armor

2 Groups of 5 Nobs (1 as troop choice)
-3 big choppas, 2 power klaw, 5 shoota kombi, 5 'eavy armor, boss pole

10 Lootas
-2 Meks

8 Burnas

30 'ard Boyz
- nob with power klaw, boss pole

30 Shoota Boyz
- big shootas, nob w/power klaw and boss pole

20 Gretchin 2 runtherders

20 Gretchin 2 runtherders

2 Looted wagons
- boom guns, and 2 big shootas, 'Ard case

I have been actively reading lists and the codex cover to cover to find things I can take to make the most competitive list against this army.

This is what I have come up with. How feasible would this list be?

HQ
Hive Tyrant LW+BS/HVC/Old Advasary 220

Eliete
Doom of Malan'Tai + Mycetic Spore 130
2 Hive Guard 100

Troops
10 Termagants 50
Tervigon, AG/TS/IA/Regen/Catalyst 240
10 Termagants 50
Tervigon, AG/TS/IA/Regen/Catalyst 240
16 Genestealers Rending Claws/Scything talons/Adrenal glands 304
28 Hormagaunts 230

Heavy Support
Trygon 200
3 Biovores 135

What are some other lists I should look at that might work against his ork list?

[FTGTEvan]

It's a good basis for a list, but I would probably swap out some of the weapons and upgrades. For the Tyrant, his best shooting option is usually going to be TL Devourers, though a Stranglethorn Cannon or two will do pretty well against Orks. More pie plates the better, and biovores will pretty much ruin his day since even his 'ard boyz won't get saves against their pie plates.

Back to the Tyrant, wings are always preferable, but if you don't want to run him that way, that's fine. An armored shell might be nice though. I would honestly give him two guns rather than the LW&BS. The ID from the bone sword is nice, but you probably don't want to really be getting him in combat with the nobz, and he'll strike first anyway, so the LW isn't all that helpful.

Elites: All good there

Troops: If you can find the points for devilgants, preferably in a spore, that would be fantastic since volume of shots is your friend against that list. Putting them in a spore means you'll be able to drop them next to the lootas if they survive the first turn of biovore fire and wipe them out. For the Tervigons, I'm not sold on the effectiveness of Regen or Implant Attack. For 5 points less you can give them Crushing Claws and a third psychic power, then smash anything you face in combat. You'll only lose 1 attack but gain D3, 2D3 if you get Warp Speed, and Instakill everything, making Implant Attack redundant.

Those stealers are pretty pricey and eating up a lot of your points for how effective they will probably be against the Orks. Also, Toxin Sacs will serve you better than Adrenal glands: with 10 hits, 4+ re-rolling gets you 7.5 wounds while 3+ gets you 6.66, and you get toxin every round while Adrenal is only when you charge. Also, the reroll for toxin means more rends. I might also drop the numbers a little (but not below 10) to free up points for more of something else (devilgants maybe, more biovores). Lastly for troops, not sure how you got 230 points for 28 hormagaunts. Giving them toxin and adrenal glands will make them more effective against the Boyz, but they're also more expensive at that point. Just toxin sacs will put them on fairly equal footing with boyz, with a bit of a boost from their scything talons. That said, they would be good at tarpitting the nobz and boss, for which role, the cheaper they are, the better. If you need some points for something, dropping them to 20 might not hurt you.

Heavy Support: Good, Biovores will do awesome against Orks. If you have more, take more. The trygon's pretty nice, but his points in Biovores would probably do more damage (though not cause the target priority issues the Trygon will).

That's quite the wall of text, but really, your list is pretty good I think, but you might just want to consider some tweaks to numbers and loadouts.

[nebraska172]

Sounds good! Thanks for the info. I will make some changes and see how it works!