new CSM list

[gigasnail]

game tomorrow, most likely against my friend dwayne's dark angels though i really don't know. he might pull the dark eldar out and surprise me. at any rate wanted to try something different and use my two new heldrakes. i've always liked huron blackheart's fluff and his new warlord ability is boss. here's what i came up with this evening:

1997, CSM

huron blackheart (warlord)
apostle, khorne, axe of blind fury, VotLW

terminators X5, mark of tzeentch, VotLW (champ w/ chainfist/LC, squad w/ HF, X3 combi melta, X4 power sword)

CSM X10, X2 plasma, champ w/ power sword + bombs
CSM X10, X2 plasma, champ w/ power sword + bombs
cultists X20, khorne, X2 flamer

X3 oblits, nurgle
X5 havoks, X4 AC
X5 havoks, X3 ML, AC
ADL, quadgun

heldrake, baleflamer
heldrake, baleflamer


1997, can't really seem to fit much else in. could give the apostle a combibolter but that looses him an attack in CC so it's a no-go. deployment depends on how many infiltrators huron rolls up. i am liable to forward deploy the apostle with the cultist beat-stick squad (we are looking at 90ish attacks pretty easily from the unit, along with a disposable cultist for challenges if needed), followed by huron with the tzeentch terminators, and even the obliterators if needed. the ADL and havoks deploy with hopefully good line of sight in the back/midfield for burning down flyers and providing cover for scoring units while smashing armor or targets of opportunity. if its not optimal to infiltrate the apostle-cultist beatstick, it makes a rock hard fearless objective sitter. the dragons come on to do what the dragons do. it's not a complicated list but i think it covers the basics.

obvious weaknesses are only 3 scoring troops in basic missions (aside from big guns/scouring) and having to use ADL + havoks/oblits + vector strike to deal with enemy flyers. i wanted to try a mostly foot list with huron and my new dragons. i am really feeling the lack of scoring units though. thoughts/CC welcome. will post batrep later this weekend.

[DukeMantis]

Hey gigasnail,

I really like your list, yes it might be slightly light on scorers but you never know what scenario your going to get... if you get something really unfavourable you can just play for secondary objectives and focus on the enemy scorers.

Havoks behind the ADL are outstandingly good in my experience (fighting against them with my nids) will you be taking flakk missiles?

[ZergLord]

Anything that isn't Fearless should have Veterans of the Long War. Having Ld10 is the only advantage you have against Loyalists when it comes to morale.

Dark Apostle has only one use - to control multiple Cultist units. In your list, he's pointless. I can take a Chaos Lord and give him exactly the same gear as your Apostle, and he will have better stats and be actually cheaper. I think that if you drop him you should have enough points for another unit of 20 cultists with 2 Flamers, and VotLW for everyone.

[gigasnail]

i'll have to look at swapping the apostle for a lord; a lord is 15 points cheaper than the apostle after you figure in sigil of corruption and really his function here is to be infiltrated and delivered into assault via the cultist bus turn 2 (or 1, if opponent is dumb and i go second) or to be fearless objective sitter w/ ablative bodies if that's not viable. lord can do the same thing cheaper. i had thought beseech the dark gods worked for your entire army but it's just the apostle and his unit, so not worth it.

vets i had on everyone but had to take it off due to points. just not room for it everywhere. let me see what i can do and thanks for hte feedback.

and no, no flakk missles. too expensive and they're sort of (please do not swear) considering you have to pay for it on top of the missile launcher.

[gigasnail]

ok, revised list:

huron
chaos lord, khorne, meltabombs, sigil of corruption, axe of blind fury

terminators X5, tzeentch, heavy flamer, combi-melta X3, power sword X4, champ w/ chainfist/lightening claw

heldrake, baleflamer
heldrake, baleflamer

CSM X10, X2 plasmagun, champ w/ power sword
CSM X10, X2 plasmagun, champ w/ power sword and combibolter
cultists X20, X2 flamer, khorne

obliterators X3, nurgle, VotLW
havok X5, X4 AC, VotLW
havok X5, X3 ML, AC, VotLW

ADL, quadgun

VotLW is needed on my weapons teams for certain, they tend to draw a lot of love. i can't find room for it on the stock CSM though.

[nurglitch]

You have the Forgeworld Legion Autocannons?

[gigasnail]

no, i made them out of a variety of chopped up heavy bolters with home made barrel extensions and heat sinks. i'll post some pics after i get a few painted up.