CSM with Daemon allies Nurgle Theme list

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Hi

Im planning on making a CSM list with daemon allies pure nurgle theme. I want it to be semi competitive so i want to have good chances of winning and it has to be a fun list at the same time. Here is what i was thinking:

HQ:

Lord on bike with Mark of nurgle, power sword, melta bombs.

Troops:

7xPlaguemarines with 2xplasmagun, champ with melta bomb and rhino
7xPlaguemarines with 2xplasmagun, champ with melta bomb and rhino
10xCaos Space Marines with mark of nurgle and 2xplasmaguns, champ with melta bomb and rhino

Fast Attack:

4xBikes with mark of nurgle and 2 meltaguns

Heavy Support:

2xObliterator with mark of nurgle
2xObliterator with mark of nurgle
2xObliterator with mark of nurgle

Allied detachment

HQ:

Herald of nurgle with fnp loci and 1 greater gift
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Great Unclean one with 2 greater gift and master psyker level 3

Troops:

10xPlaguebearers

Heavy Support:

1xSoul Grinder with nurgle and plegm

what do you guys think?

[ZergLord]

Your CSM part is ok. A bit monotone but OK. As for the Daemon part, well I'm not an expert on Daemons, but I'd take GUO instead of the Herald because it adds another MC threat to the list. Also, I don't know what the CD part adds up to the CSM list but it's not bad I guess...

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[jahatch42878]

I like the idea... I am not sure about melee though... you don't have a lot to crack any melee based terminators (your only ap2 is meltaguns) and although 3+ saves and FNP will be nice, I feel like power swords or powerfists are still going to have their way with you... and any poisoned attacks (dark elder, 'nids) are going to be pretty effective against you... I guess you can sit back and shoot, deep strike the plaguebeares & GUO in as a big speed bump, and just focus on shooting especially with the obliterators while trying to keep the bikes out of melee until necessary and using the rhinos to block LOS...

also, slightly significant point difference between a herald and a great unclean one... what I your point total and if you take the herald what are you doing with the 200 pt difference???

Seems like a solid nut to crack... or I guess soft, squishy, rotten, fetid nut that just absorbs punishment without cracking, eh? - J

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Mar 30, 2013 14:37:57 GMT jahatch42878 said:

I like the idea... I am not sure about melee though... you don't have a lot to crack any melee based terminators (your only ap2 is meltaguns) and although 3+ saves and FNP will be nice, I feel like power swords or powerfists are still going to have their way with you... and any poisoned attacks (dark elder, 'nids) are going to be pretty effective against you... I guess you can sit back and shoot, deep strike the plaguebeares & GUO in as a big speed bump, and just focus on shooting especially with the obliterators while trying to keep the bikes out of melee until necessary and using the rhinos to block LOS...

also, slightly significant point difference between a herald and a great unclean one... what I your point total and if you take the herald what are you doing with the 200 pt difference???

Seems like a solid nut to crack... or I guess soft, squishy, rotten, fetid nut that just absorbs punishment without cracking, eh? - J

Thx for the nice reply. Herald is 90 pts and guo is 255 with psyker level 2. Its about 2000 points with guo and 1850 with herald. Should i equip power axes on plaguemarine champs and csm champs would it help?

[jahatch42878]

I am always torn by the Power Axe... +1 S, Unwieldy, Ap2... I like the AP2... but I feel like a Powerfist is a safer bet... S5 is nice, AP2 is nice, but S8 AP2 is nicer... also, gives you something besides a meltagun to keep Dreadnoughts and Monstrous Creatures away.. also, at least with the Plaguemarine, you give up the Plagueknife reroll to wound for the AP so it's not as clear of a win/win... but I'd be tempted to put an Axe or Powerfist somewhere (oh, I also thought you had meltaguns, but I guess it is plasma, so I guess that's a bit more shots at AP2... not as much of an issue).. and of course the GUO is AP2.. not that you want him fighting a bunch of Powerfists unless he's Toughness 10 from Iron Arm.. lol..

And I see, 1850 vs 2000.. makes sense...

also, @ 2000 pts if you don't have the Herald with the FnP locus on the plaguebearers they aren't as reliable... I mean, Shrouded in Cover is a nice 3++ save but with no ranged attacks unless you upgrade one to a champion and take a Lesser Reward hoping to get a 3 or 5 for a ranged attack... nice if it happens, but can't depend on it.. although you likely will have something on the GUO to cast on the plaguebearers (endurance, etc).. so I guess that's okay too..

(sorry, sorta thinking as I type and scroll through the codex)...

Oh, so yeah, my main point was going back to my first post - how do you plan to play? are you going to try to stay 12-24" away and be a T5 shooting army or do you see the rhinos and bikes moving up supported by Deep Striking GUO and Plaguebearers? Josh