Newbies 1850 pts list.

[zerfyx]

Very new tyranid player here, been playing for about a month now and i was curious of thoughts on my army list below.

HQ

Hive tyrant: Lash/ b-sword, talons. Commander. Adrenal, toxic, achid, regen. Shell. 290pts

Prime: Lash/b-sword, talon. Regen, gland, toxic. 125 pts.

Elite

Ymgral: 8. 184pts

Troops

H-gaunt: 20. toxic, gland. 200pts

T-gaunts: 20. devouerer. 200pts

Warrior: 3. Lash/b-sword. talon. Toxic, gland. 160pts

Swarm: 5. Fists. 75pts

Fast

Harpy: Regen, HVC, Spines. 185pts

Heavy

Trygon prime: Gland, regen toxic. 285pts

Total: 1844.

As i said, i'm new and this is pretty much the models i have

[FTGTEvan]

Interesting list; I like it partly because it doesn't follow the standard cookie-cutter mold. I'm also curious how you've fared so far.

My first thought is that you're spending a lot of points on upgrades that I'm not sure are always worth it. Regen in particular on everyone but the Prime I think is usually overpriced unless you get really lucky. If you take most of the upgrades off, you can run the same numbers at 1500 points.

For the Tyrant, not sure if Hive Commander is worthwhile with the list as you have it. I wouldn't deep strike the Trygon since he might be more valuable on the board taking some of the fire away from the Tyrant and CC warriors waltzing their way across the board.

Your big concerns are going to be anti-armor and anti-flyer in this list. You have very little shooting and aside from the harpy ineffectively vector-striking, you have no answer for flyers, which is a common problem in our codex. Your only ranged attack that stands a chance of hurting a vehicle is the HVC on the Harpy, and it can't destroy anything outright unless it's open topped.

I know you said this is more or less all the models you have, so, until you get more models, your best defense against tanks and flyers might be to go for smaller point games so you have less likelihood of running into a bunch. Anyway, I might try something like this with what you have at 1500:

Tyrant w/BS&LW, ScyTal, Armored Shell, Toxin Sacs - 220
Prime w/LW&BS, ScyTal, Regen, Toxin - 115
8 Ymgarls - 184
20 Hormagaunts - 120
20 Termagants - Devourers - 200
5 Rippers - spinefists - 75
3 Shrikes w/LW&BS, ScyTal, Toxin - 165
Harpy w/HVC- 170
Trygon Prime w/ Toxin - 250

That comes out to 1499. It doesn't answer your shooting problems, but I think it will be a more effective use of points. It frees up room for your next purchases to get you back up to 1850 while maybe filling in some of those shooting and anti-armor holes. Upgrading to a Flyrant, some Hive Guard or Zoanthropes (I honestly prefer Zoans, but am in the minority) and more Warriors/Shrikes could help out a little. Just some thoughts. Sorry for the wall of text.

[0800hell]

I also prefer zoans, ask your opponents if you can proxy twin linked bl devourers on you tyrant and take stranglethorn cannon on ur harpy. venem cannon is an embarrasingly bad gun.

[PumpkinHead]

Since your Tyrant is walking, I would give him a gun, that way he can be a little more effective. Trade out hive commander for old adversary so you get to re-roll 1s. If you are attacking a tank, you will most likely smash anyways.
Your H-gaunts should drop AG to save on points. The goal is to leave them out of synapse on the turn you want them to charge, fail their LD test for Instinctive Behavior, and when they charge they will get +2 attacks on the charge for a total of 4 attacks a Hgaunt.
Trygon Prime: again, drop the Adrenal Glands. They are a point sink and dont help as much as first thought.

If you plan on leaving your tyrant walking, I would look to invest in a couple (2) tyrant guard. You will also need some Hive Guard for minimal anti air and tank popping. Zoanthropes are great at outright killing tanks, with access to the only S10 AP1 lance in the game. They are great at killing marines too.

[hadriel]

Mar 14, 2013 14:42:38 GMT PumpkinHead said:

Since your Tyrant is walking, I would give him a gun, that way he can be a little more effective. Trade out hive commander for old adversary so you get to re-roll 1s. If you are attacking a tank, you will most likely smash anyways.
Your H-gaunts should drop AG to save on points. The goal is to leave them out of synapse on the turn you want them to charge, fail their LD test for Instinctive Behavior, and when they charge they will get +2 attacks on the charge for a total of 4 attacks a Hgaunt.
Trygon Prime: again, drop the Adrenal Glands. They are a point sink and dont help as much as first thought.

If you plan on leaving your tyrant walking, I would look to invest in a couple (2) tyrant guard. You will also need some Hive Guard for minimal anti air and tank popping. Zoanthropes are great at outright killing tanks, with access to the only S10 AP1 lance in the game. They are great at killing marines too.

i agree on the tyrant guards i find if you field a walking tyrant with out a guard they are very soft targets so having atleast one guard helps alot and if you get iron arm on him and attacks the prime it can jump the 3 models to T9 which makes it very hard to crack. Hive guards are also a wicked unit to have and always do well for me

[zerfyx]

Thanks for the replies and thoughts. Alot of what you've said i found out the hard way in my battles, but overall, the list has been working very well, to the point that everyone i play with is convinced that 'nids are overpowered.

My reasons for AG on alot of things, mostly the gaunts though, is to get the reroll on poison, since on the charge they will have the same or more str than most infantery has in toughness, making them a real deadly force (Had them instantly kill a HQ grey knight troop on the charge).
Against fliers, i use the vector strike, or the devilgaunts.

I've tried a shooting tyrant, both walking and flying but he didn't really sit well with me, nor did he do much good, though i am considering dropping the talons, giving him a devoerer and OA, to have the same effect and give him SOME shooting atleast.

[gigasnail]

devilgaunts can only glance av 10, and the harpy is only S5. not good odds. what are you going to do to stormravens, or any flier with more than av10 on the sides?