apoc rules question

[dnalloht]

During an apocalypse game, do you HAVE to field one of the formations in the apocalypse book?

[daveclark890]

No

They are there as an army selection but you can play your standard 1500/1750 list with an allied mate playing their standard list too. You have to pay for the apoc formations just like anything else.

[elitemaster]

i have a few apoc games coming up and i didnt play 4th ed nid's what is the endless swarm rule

[daveclark890]

Any unit with endless swarm (used to be an upgrade for gaunts and gants) allowed you to recycle them when they died, you could just charge them at a gun line and when the last one dropped you moved the whole unit to your deployment table edge and charged them again!

[dnalloht]

I have 3000+ points of space marines (blood angels), and i'm working on my nids, I don't have any battle formations though.

[adamwelton]

On the other hand I've got 30,000 points of Apocalypse Orks, Traitor Guard, Daemons and Chaos Space Marines and every model is in a Formation. I may be wasting about 6000 points on buying the Formation extras but I get about 60 Strategems at start and about 30 per turn (about 20 of which are Orbital Barrages) until I start losing units. Works for me.

Unfortunately Tyranid Formations are currently a bit cack as they're ridiculously out of date (mostly fourth ed/original Apoc). The only good reason to play Apocalyspe games with Tyranids is the ability to turn out unbelievable numbers like ten thousand Gaunts, or really fast and bullets-hard close combat Titans and the like quite cheaply (in terms of points, not cash), and some have a few really nasty effects like Meotic Spores (a giant spore mine full of spore mines), and our special scenery Formations (Spore Chimneys, Digestion Pools etc) are a nightmare for opposing players.

If you are going to play Apocalypse then for goodness' sake use the Formations or the Super Heavies if you can. If not then it's best just to have a large game of 40k or you will be outclassed by ridiculous units like 200 Imperial Guard behind 6 feet (2m) of wall with a 4+ Invulnerable save, or nothing but twelve Land Raiders packed with Terminators and Special Characters armed to the teeth.

[Psychichobo]

I dunno about needing superheavies. I joined in a game of Apoc once using a 1500 point marine force. I basically used Shrike and had small mobs of outflanking jump infantry to harass enemy lines, and I ended up wrecking a lot of important things (Outflanking termie libby with hammerhand snapped a baneblade in two, for example).

Look at assets in particular and think about what you can bring to compliment your allies if you can. Strategy is still important even when there's millions of giant robots nuking all things below 10 feet tall.

[elitemaster]

do they come back on form out table eadge or do they can in to on going reservers

[daveclark890]

They come back on your table edge, when the rule was written Ongoing reserves didn't exist

[elitemaster]

o i was wanting to is the tygon's tunnel to just have them keep coming out next to the enemy's forces

[adamwelton]

Super heavies aren't compulsory, but they help immensely when you're faced with an army of nothing but ten-foot tall robots that shoot lasers out of their eyes. There is a Trygon unit of three that you can use to Deep Strike half your army onto using the Trygon rule and the Apocalypse reserves rule together. I have used it in the past and it's bloody dynamite when timed correctly with Flanking and that Speedy Deployment Strategem that allows you to move to charge range prior to Turn 1. We have some superb Stratagems that can really tip the balance but having a good selection of differing assault groups using these works best in my book.

If you look carefully on the web you may find Apocalypse Armour vols I and II as well as The Anphelion Project somewhere like Scribd.