Help My Friend's Space Puppies

[FTGTEvan]

Hi Hive,

A buddy of mine and I went to our local store's 1k tournament. This is the second time he's gone and he's lost 5 of the 6 games he's played, with his only win against another friend in his first couple games.

Anyway, this time he faced two horde Nid lists and was frustrated by the fact that he felt he had no answer to their numbers and generally didn't feel competitive.

He admitted his list probably wasn't the most competitive, but he's not sure what he can do to make it more competitive. I honestly can't help him much since I've never played marines.

The list he sent me is as follows (though I know he has a good bit more, so he's open to major changes):

HQ:
Ulrik the Slayer
Runepriest w/Wolf Talisman, Runic Weapon, Master of Runes, Lvl2

Elites:
Dreadnought: Wofltail talisman, wolftooth necklace, Assault cannon, Dread CCW, Heavy Flamer

Troops:
10 Grey Hunters: 1 Mark of the Wulfen, 2 plasma guns, 1 plasma pistol
10 Grey Hunters: 1 mark of the Wulfen, 2 Meltaguns

Heavy Support:
6 Long Fangs: 5 Missile Launchers

Please let me know if you have any ideas why this list hasn't been effective for him, and some things he could add/swap/change to make it better.

In our discussions afterward, he mentioned the idea of running more troops, less tooled up, and maybe a Land Raider when he gets his hands on one. My horde sensibilities tell me it's a good idea to have more bodies, but like I said, I've never played with anything that had a real armor save.

Thanks, Hive.

[baconslice]

Well if you got the land raider one with the flame storm cannons (redeemer/ crusader I forget which) that would certainly help against hoards. Plus the assault aspect is good for wolves

[FTGTEvan]

Ok, with that in mind, and with just my general proclivity for massing the cheapest option I can get, I came up with the following rough list for him:

HQ:
Something for ~150 points or less
Troops:
12 Blood Claws
11 Blood Claws
5 Grey Hunters - Plasma gun, mark of wulfen
5 Grey Hunters - Plasma gun, mark of wulfen
Heavy Support:
Land Raider Redeemer with Multi-Melta

Would this list be remotely viable? There are no long range weapons outside the Assault Cannon on the Redeemer, and no good answers for flyers or more than 1 vehicle. I see this list relying strictly on numbers of power armored troops and the small 4x4 boards we play on, combined with the usually short games for survival. The game length and board size are really the two things I think this list can use to its advantage in any objective based game. Essentially, the Grey Hunters would hang back and hold backfield objectives and deter linebreakers while the blood claws provided a speed-bump and maybe contested objectives.

Like I said, I have little to no idea if this would work, so I could use some insight from people who have more experience than I with Marines/Wolves.

[baconslice]

Yea that could work. The problem with wolves is against hoardes they'll just get bogged in assault. In not too familiar with wolves but I play BA. Maybe I'd say get an elite unit and chuck em in the land raider. Get a couple of cheap shooty troops to sit on your objectives. Long fangs. Sit a rune priest at the back to cast divination powers on your shooty units to wipe out blobs. Drive the land raider straight at the worst unit flaming everything assault out at there worst unit.
I also thought about driving a vindicator up behind it? Drops a pie plate. Could be bad?
If its mainly hoards just get the most templates possible.

[barenone]

keep those rockets, long fang rocket spam is insane