Fresh Nids of Bel Air: Challenging the Orks

[DukeMantis]

Hey all

If any of you have been following my army list spam on here over the last few months you would see that ive basically been playing the same list for a long time. Double trygon, doom and a squad of ymgarls using hive commander to syncro-slap my opponent from reserves while my two token units of termagants, two tervigons and dakka flyrant mince around doing their thing.

Ive decided i want to try a slightly different list this week at the club, and im thinking its time to challenge our resident ork player to a long overdue rematch.

For this battle i was going to mix things up and try to break the mold of what ive been playing...not a huge amount, but a bit. Im thinking of basing the gameplan on a meaty firebase (2x 3 hive guard, 2x3 biovores) nucleated around a foot tyrant or perhaps swarmy (+1guard) with preferred enemy, and two tervigons - this contingent would sit in my half for the early stages of the game, as im 90% sure the Ork guy will just come at me. He mixes it up between trukkspam, infantry spam or can wall. Meanwhile my deepstrike contingent will change a bit, going for two pods with 12 devilgants in each, a single trygon with toxin sacs, and doom in spore.

Any ideas or input on this list or would be awesome, of course i will also be re-reading the VS Orks thread on these forums too

2000pts single FoC - Fresh Nids of Bel Air

HQ-
Hive Tyrant w/ LW+BS, 1x T-L Devourer, Old Adversary, Hive Commander, Armoured Shell - 275
Tyrant Guard - 60

Elites-
3x Hive Guard - 150
3x Hive Guard - 150
Doom w/ Spore - 130

Troops-
Crushigon - AD+TS, Catalyst, Dominion (swap to bio), Crushing Claws
220

Brainigon - TS, Onslaught, Catalyst, Dominion (swap to bio) ScyTals
205

12 Devilgants w/ Spore
160

12 Devilgants w/ Spore
160

Heavy Support-
Trygon w/ Toxin Sacs
210

3 Biovores
135

3 Biovores
135

TOTAL - 1990 PTS (if i tae swarmy instead its 1995)
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I do have a few additional question:

a)Will preferred enemy give my Biovores a scatter reroll?

b)If a pod of devilgants comes down behind his trukks can the pod shoot one trukk and the 'gants shoot a different target?

c)Do you think i should go for Swarmy instead of the foot tyrant to give my backline more oomph? Or stick with foot tyrant to get more preferred enemy to the surrounding firebase?


Thanks alot for reading ;D

[FTGTEvan]

List looks good, mate. Very strong against Orks. As far as your questions:

a.) I'm actually not sure, good question. I don't have my BRB at the moment to check.
b.) Yes, they can shoot at separate targets or the pod can shoot the trukk and if it wrecks it, the gants can hit the boyz inside. Granted, that's putting your gants in the line of fire from the trukk exploding/ramshackling on top of them.
c.) I think I would lean for swarmy. You lose a gun, but he's beastlier in combat and gives slightly stronger buffs, and is very potent with any psychic discipline you give him, being able to cast 2 powers or one lvl 2 power.

[DukeMantis]

Thanks for the feedback, VTAeries

Im kind of thinking of my deepstrikers as expendable trukkbusters/scaremongers...

I agree swarmy has more punch, the only thing that had me wondering was with a normal hive tyrant Old Adversary could give Preferred enemy to both nearby hive guard units, where as with swarmy he can only preferred enemy one of them.

[FTGTEvan]

That's true. I think Swarmy might just be a bit more flexible though, and you could give something preferred enemy from further away, like some of your deepstruck devilgants; 3 extra hits for 21 hits, and 12.25W on T4 vs 9W without Preferred enemy. But definitely a preference thing.

[DukeMantis]

Yeah i think its going to have to be Swarmy, ive never used him before so this will be fun!

Thanks alot^^

[FTGTEvan]

Happy to help; sounds like a fun list. Might have to try it sometime, though I don't have a second Terv (yet).

[DukeMantis]

I played with a single terv for some time (they are very expensive in Canada) since ive got a second one i almost cant remember what it was like to rely on one, its a real game changer imho

[0800hell]

Your questions
1 no i dont think so but would be happy to be proved wrong
2 Yes as they are seperate units remeber mycetic spores can shoot 2 guns at same target
3 In all honesty i have never liked swarmy so i would say no but thats just me

[DukeMantis]

What do you think are the downsides of swarmy in the content of this army vs Orks?

[0800hell]

Well against orks ive had him die to 5 nobs with powerclwas and a cheap warboss and i think there was a oain boy there as well as they had feel no pain he killed 2 and then died.

I alos dont think he knows what the (please do not swear) he is doing because he buffs stuff but he if good in cc, i would like to c him EITHER buff stuff or be a killing beast.
He is just sooo fragile even with 2 guard and a prime on the unit they just get killed by everything lets just say i havent had a good experience with him

A few month ago i would say yes gogogogoggo but now......

[NidsAndMarines]

I would just be tempted to reduce slightly the biovores (maybe go 2x2?) and use the points to increse the size of the devilgant broods - for me 12 is just a bit too small, therefore vulnerable - to as near to 20 as possible, possibly finding the few points needed to get to max size units. That way they can put the hurt on with shooting and still be a nasty tarpit behind his lines. Just bear in mind you need to find them some synapse to make them max effective - I suppose you could always swap DoM for a pair of Zoans, which would also be a great counter to any vehicles he might bring.

NidsAndMarines.

[fleabag]

maybe i am reading this wrong but you have no synapse with your spores thats something i would prefer at least

zoanthropes will do the job done