600pts Nid army list

[benseek24]

So I quite often lose games and I am looking for advice on my army list. 600pts is how my club plays as we only have about one and a half hours to play, setup, tidy up etc.

Anyway here's the list

+HQ+

Flyrant with HVC

+troops+

12 devils with ts

15 standard termies

3 warriors with deathspitters and one VC.

And tips, tricks, advice, etc. is welcome

Thanks

Benseek24

[benseek24]

any help please!!!
i want to be able to beat someone with this list as so far i have lost the only two games i have played with it

[FTGTEvan]

It might help to know what models/options you have available, your regular opponents, etc. I'm also assuming you play on a 4x4 at that level. To begin, I would drop the TS on the devils, you don't exactly want them in combat, but shooting things. Screen them with the vanilla gants to take charges for them.

What second weapon does your Flyrant run? You can never go wrong with two sets of TL devourers and, at this level, ST or LW&BS might be nice (though the latter is basically impossible to model) so you can use him as your heavy hitter for combat (though, he doesn't lose much effectiveness in combat with just the 2 guns - still 4A S6 AP2).

[benseek24]

well me has more gaunts (10 more termies) and a few elites in the form of lictors and a zoanthrope. i also have lots of genestealers and a broodlord. most of my opponents have marines and necrons with a few playing eldar.
what should i take for removing my toxin sacs? only 20 points left available with after removing ts.

[Squire]

If possible I'd get rid of both venom cannons. I think the barbed strangler is a much better option for warriors, and for the flyrant quad devourers or either of the combat options (quad scything talons or LW&BS and scything talons) seem like the way to go. I don't really like the idea of devilgants starting on the table (as opposed to podded in) but if you do start them on the board then do what VTAries said and screen them with the other gaunts.

If I were to trim the venom cannons and toxin sacs and take combat options on the flyrant and a barbed strangler for the warriors I'd consider these options;

1. Adding more termagants and turning the 20+ termagants into two units, which can each screen the devilgants and warriors
2. Buying a mycetic spore for the devilgants, although I think that strategy probably has more value in higher point games
3. Giving the flyrant quad devourers and then spending the rest of the points on more gaunts

A more radical change could be to drop the devilgants altogether and use the points you save to pay for a tervigon, it doesn't have to have expensive upgrades. Combat flyrant, warriors with a BS, termagants and toxin sac tervigon seems like a very solid 600 points to me

I understand it could be a problem removing the venom cannons. If you don't want to damage the models I'd probably just leave them on and then when you expand the army focus on adding some genuinely competitive units to offset the VC's a little bit

[FTGTEvan]

Ok, with those models, I might give this a shot:

HQ:
Prime with Deathspitter, Regeneration

Troops:
12 Devilgants
16 vanilla gants
3 Warriors (1 with Venom Cannon)
10 Genestealers - Broodlord with Scytals

Comes to 598. This gets you another 11 models on the board and so long as you run the Prime separate from the Warriors, 2 synapse units. Try voraciousapathy's tactic (About Genestealers in the Tactics thread) with the stealers; infiltrate them out of synapse in cover, go to ground in your enemy's turn 1, then move the Prime or Warriors up into synapse at the beginning of the movement phase and then move and hopefully charge in the bottom of 1/top of 2.

This list will struggle with tanks and vehicles, so if you tend to see a lot of those, I'd tweak it accordingly, maybe try to get a Zoan in there at the cost of the venom cannon, 2 stealers, and 3 vanilla gaunts or something.

[benseek24]

k but me has only got lictors raveners 10 more standard termies nad a few mcs to sub in. might try to add more gaunts as screens.
also is anyone else finding the stormtalon amazingly good for 140pts. i mean it has amazing weaponry eg tw assault cannons and a ridiculous amount of missiles at ap 3. one brought my flyrant down to 1 wound in one round of shooting.

[humbletermagant]

What is with the apparent trend of habitually cheating at 40k?
I mean stop me if I'm wrong here but the only missile option the storm talon
has is the skyhammer which is NOT ap3. So tired of people who
supposedly don't know the stats for their models. I'm talking about the storm
talon guy by the way Benseek not you. Also with the skyhammer missiles upgrade
the talon is more than 140pts as well.